Hi Manfred,
meanwhile Wikimedia Ukraine has decided not to participate in the
international contest. Doing nothing seems like the easiest thing to do,
but long-term it damages the relationship with everyone involved, because
there is no framework to orient themselves on.
I'm also failing to imagine the international jury awarding any prizes to
Russia, given the logistical complexity, so while they can participate,
promoting Russian pictures (as Wikimedia Ukraine points out) would not go
down well publicly.
Best,
Philip
On Tue, 13 Dec 2022 at 23:28, Manfred Werner (WMAT) <
manfred.werner(a)wikimedia.at> wrote:
Hi Philip,
Finding a framework of rules seems to be necessary. As far as I know, but
I am relatively new to the team of WLM international, this is the first
time the question comes up if a country should be excluded from the
international competition. Personally I'd see that as a contradiction to
the basics of all the Wikimedia projects that aim to connect people from
all over the world and to share among all of us. As long as the organisers
are independent from political influence I see no reason to exclude them.
Until now it always was one of the goals to include as many countries as
possible.
Regarding subnational (or also transnational) entities it very much
depends on who is organising the campaign there I think. It should at least
be a group of people. New problems may arise if a monument is "claimed" by
different groups I can imagine. On the other hand there might be situations
with difficulties that are beyond our influence. Anyway we have to be
careful (neutral and unpolitical) when trying to find regulations.
Best,
Manfred
Am 13.12.2022 um 15:44 schrieb Philip Kopetzky:
Betreff:
[Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: Regarding the participation of Russia in Wiki
Loves Monuments 2022
Von:
Philip Kopetzky <philip.kopetzky(a)gmail.com> <philip.kopetzky(a)gmail.com>
Datum:
13.12.2022, 15:44
An:
rodelarwiki(a)gmail.com, Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition
<wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
<wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Hi Ruben,
thank for giving your reasoning - I would urge you and the team though to
establish some rules (since you mention the lack of rules around this
issue) for future competitions, since the war in Ukraine is not the only
conflict happening right now and will unfortunately not be the last one
either.
The same goes for establishing a logic around admitting countries and
nations within certain countries. The 2030 strategy is quite clear on the
fact that equity in participation and access to resources matters, and
sticking to a country-by-country approach limits the viability of WLM for
the architectural/cultural heritage of ethnic groups within a country (or
is dependent on the benevolence of the majority group in that country)
Best,
Philip
On Tue, 13 Dec 2022 at 21:03, Rodelar <rodelarwiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
The Wiki Loves Monuments international team has been asked if photographs
from Russia should be allowed or excluded from participating in this year's
international contest. We have been in contact with the organising teams of
Wiki Loves Monuments from Ukraine and from Russia to discuss this and to
find a solution.
We greatly appreciate that the team from Ukraine has organized the local
edition of the competition while there is war in their country! We
understand that there are reservations against seeing images from Ukraine
and Russia presented side by side in the galleries of nominated or winning
pictures.
The volunteer team organising Wiki Loves Monuments Russia emphasizes to
have no ties to the Russian government or the Russian Wikimedia affiliate.
They are submitting the 10 finalist images to the international final round
of Wiki Loves Monuments 2022, but the occupied areas, including Crimea and
Sevastopol, have been excluded from the Wiki Loves monuments campaign.
Also, in Russia there is no freedom of panorama for works of art. This
excludes, in fact, any images of monuments and statues erected since World
War II, and which for example glorify the war, from being legally uploaded
to Wikimedia Commons.
If images from Russia are excluded because of the war in Ukraine, this
could, without being based on a rule for the competition, set a precedent
for other territories where there is war around the world. Rules would have
to found, before deciding case by case, if a country should not be allowed
to send its nominations to Wiki Loves Monuments international.
With these considerations in mind, the WLM organising team does not see a
reason to exclude the submission of Russian finalists images to the
international final round.
On behalf of the WLM 2022 organising team,
Rubén Ojeda
International jury coordinator, Wiki Loves Monuments 2022
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