Hey Edward,
sorry for the delay in responding - I was a bit overflowing with stuff that
needed to happen irl. Sorry to see too that there were so few other
responses at all to my questions for input (two on the talk page).
In some way, my proposal is an experiment of course. This isn't meant as
'unconference' or anything as drastic, but rather as a way to offer a set
of structured and facilitated discussions without fixating it too much in
advance. Your suggestions go much further even than my proposal - I don't
want to let it come to serendipity, I would really like to help ensure
somehow that we can include the discussion topics in the program material
printed - so lets make sure we communicate those deadlines with each other.
I would be happy if you (or anyone) would help to populate the room with
good discussion topics. However, I feel we need a dedicated space /in the
program/ for this - I don't have good experiences with the open space kind
of idea that was experimented with in Taipei.
I hope we can make this work together!
Best,
Lodewijk
2014-03-26 9:06 GMT+01:00 Edward Saperia <ed(a)wikimanialondon.org>rg>:
I am told that, historically, there's a massive
rush of submissions in the
last day or two. Let's wait and see what the quality of the submissions is
like, we may be surprised.
I am keen to innovate in programming with this event; an unconference
track is a nod towards this, but there may be better formats, so I will
ensure that space is carved out for some alternative programming style.
Otherwise, there are large open discussion areas available during the
event anyway. Traditionally the purpose of an early programme is mostly to
promote topics of interest to encourage people to attend the conference,
but with online discussion we could easily discuss the topics to death
between now and then, and travelling all that way just to hear it in real
life audio seems like a bit of a waste of time.
Then, for a live event, perhaps the value is in the serendipity of dipping
in and out of sessions and finding out about topics you didn't know you
were interested in. Or maybe it's just in seeing faces, shaking hands and
breaking bread.
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On 26 March 2014 16:52, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org> wrote:
Hi Edward,
not entirely, but it would be a step in the right direction. I'm
volunteering to help run that process and lead the discussions on the day
itself (if certain conditions can be fulfilled, which I dont expect to be a
problem). But also, I'm suggesting to turn the process around a bit. If
there are no proposals for discussions, lets find discussions and bring
them to the table. Lets reserve a full day worth of discussions and just
make sure we find the discussions worth it :)
Thanks for thinking along!
Lodewijk
2014-03-26 8:44 GMT+01:00 Edward Saperia <ed(a)wikimanialondon.org>rg>:
The programme submissions process we're using
is one that we inherited
from previous Wikimanias, but given that this event is not considered a
formal, research-led event, and also frankly the rate of change of the
world, having people submit sessions six months in advance seems surprising.
Lodewijks, I interpret your submission as basically a plea to run a
submission process again but closer to the conference date. Would you agree
that this is the core of your proposal?
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On 26 March 2014 16:27, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org> wrote:
Hi,
with the submission deadline approaching, I wasn't able to find many
discussion proposals (not counting panel discussions) where the audience is
the main participant, and there is no particular speaker or expert. In a
wiki-conference, that is always a surprise to me. I recall from past years
it was always particularly hard to find people who are interested enough in
a topic, expert enough, willing to lead a discussion, certain to visit
Wikimania and able to think of it months in advance all at the same time -
in other words: people who could propose a discussion session.
So on Wikimedia, we say then: so fix it. Well, that is what I tried
with an unconventional proposal: reserve a room for a full day, give me
some flexibility and help, and together with a co-discussion facilitator I
would be happy to volunteer to organize a full day of discussions around
community topics.
I would really like your input on this idea. You can find the proposal
on
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Discussion_Room.
Especially input would be welcome on:
* Suggestions on more/better good example discussion topics
* Suggestions how to organize this consultation
* Suggestions on the discussion format
* Whether this should be one full day, or two half days
* Who would be a good second discussion facilitator :)
Looking forward to your thoughts,
Lodewijk
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