There's an important question which hasn't been asked in this thread so
far: Wikimania 2014 will be big and outreach-focused, with plans for a
parallel "wikifest". How will the ticket price of Wikifest compare to
Wikimania?
A random idea from me: maybe we should make wikifest more like a museum
exhibition, without complementary food, so we can keep the price low? If
they want included food, they can pay extra for the non-Wikimedian ticket
to Wikimania.
On 24 Mar 2014 20:35, "Andrew Gray" <andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk> wrote:
As a quick note, the ticket prices for GLAM-Wiki in
2013 were set in
two tiers - simply "individual" and "institutional", and we left it
to
people to figure out what they felt was appropriate in their case. I
don't think there was a "Wikimedian" rate, but this was implicitly who
we were targeting with "individual".
Both were probably below-cost, at £20 and £50 (?) for two days, but I
don't have a copy of the calculations to hand to be sure by how much -
in any case, the only major cost was that of catering for two days, as
the venue and technical support were covered either by the BL or WMUK,
and a part-contribution to the cost of speakers travel.
One issue that might be worth bearing in mind is that a below-cost
ticket for Wikimania 2014 might well cost substantially more than an
above-cost ticket for Wikimania 2005 - as Wikimania has grown, it's
being run at a pretty high standard and the costs are no doubt
climbing to match. If we want a cheaper conference - should we be
scaling back to something less expensive and less professional?
Andrew.
On 23 March 2014 01:54, Deryck Chan <deryckchan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Wikimania indeed has a tradition of setting
artificially low entry prices
for the reasons Nicholas described earlier in this thread. Of course,
there's nothing to stop Wikimania 2014 from raising ticket prices. I
should
remind though that until 2013 we basically have a
hierarchy of 4 ticket
prices:
1. Non-Wikimedian price: supposedly the full cost (but is still
effectively
slightly subsidised)
2. Wikimedian price: substantially subsidised entry and food, for those
who've paid a lot to travel to the venue from the other side of the world
3. Partial scholarship: for those who can almost / just about afford to
attend Wikimania on their own budget, but would use up their savings
unless
their air travel was subsidised. The partial
scholarship encourages them
to
go to *more* Wikimanias.
4. Full scholarship (for those who simply can't afford Wikimania)
In 2014, the partial scholarship is removed, so I would hesitate to raise
the Wikimedian ticket prices, lest we disincentivise "medium-income"
Wikimedians (particularly students) from attending. However, by all means
consider raising the non-Wikimedian price, or even have a "donor price"
(full cost + £100, say?) with a shiny badge to let generous attendees pay
more!
Deryck
Deryck
On 23 Mar 2014 08:07, "Charles Gregory" <wmau.lists(a)chuq.net> wrote:
>
> My impression was that the prices took into account that (a) most
members
> of the Wikimedia community are volunteers (b)
most attendees have paid
many
> hundreds, if not thousands of US$ in
airfares/accommodation costs to
attend,
> on top of the ticket price. Volunteers also
have to use up their own
annual
> leave (or forgo wages) if their Wikimedia
activities are not on behalf
of
> their employer.
>
> You could get away with having separate rates. The other conference I
> have experience with, Linux.conf.au, has rates which differ by almost
an
> order of magnitude: Professional $899,
Hobbyist $399, Student $99.
(These
> prices are Australian dollars, which is
approx USD +/- 10%) (IMHO the
> Hobbyist rate here is still a bit high for a volunteer.) This
conference
> is, however, a major source of income for
Linux Australia, whereas
Wikimania
> is indirectly supported by donations to WMF.
>
> Regards,
>
> Charles
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Nicholas Bashour
> <nicholasbashour(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> For Wikimania 2012, I remember that we wanted to make sure the largest
>> number of people could attend. DC was an expensive enough city that we
felt
>> if registration prices were too high, it
may discourage some of the
people
>> who didn't get scholarships from
attending.
>>
>> That being said, there's no reason why future Wikimanias shouldn't
offer
>> various pricing options, like higher
"individual sponsorship"
registration
>> for those who want to sponsor on a
smaller level, student
registration, etc.
Sincerely,
Nicholas Michael Bashour
Sent from my iPhone
> Am 22.03.2014 um 19:21 schrieb Samuel Klein <meta.sj(a)gmail.com>om>:
>
> Proposed prices for Wikimania tickets continue to seem artificially
> low. I'm not sure what the benefit to this is. Could people who have
> run events in other contexts comment on how you set ticket prices?
>
> In my experience, tickets are set at roughly what it costs for each
> person to attend. Then there may be different sorts of tickets: for
> local supporters & volunteers, for school groups, for students &
> community members, presenters, VIPs & sponsors. Sponsorship helps
> ensure how many tickets of each type there are. Last-minute tickets
> are more expensive.
>
> This has a few benefits:
> * tickets fully cover the cost of food and materials
> * tickets contribute significantly to covering the cost of the event
> * scholarships and reimbursements for attendance (for scholars,
> professionals, academics all getting covered by their home
> institutions), in paying for tickets, cover the full cost of those
> people attending the event.
> * more accurate headcounts in advance.
>
> Warmly,
> Sam
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimania-l mailing list
> Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
_______________________________________________
Wikimania-l mailing list
Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
_______________________________________________
Wikimania-l mailing list
Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
_______________________________________________
Wikimania-l mailing list
Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
--
- Andrew Gray
andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk
_______________________________________________
Wikimania-l mailing list
Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l