Thanks Abbas, I am on Page 11 and nothing about the Project Manager is mentioned? Plus I dont rember seeing Chris' or anyones suggesdtions other thanAlex and I about the Project manger's roles Am at it,I however can oversee a situation where we will have an all powerful chairperson who calls all the shots.What I maent is ,what if the chair denys the expenditure yet it may be right?Shouldnt a 3rd person be involved say the secretary?or any board member? -- Limoke Oscar, mayenge.blogspot.com Freelancer, GeoInformatics and GIScience Student

Abbas, Let me go through them then I will give my opinion by tomorrow mid day. Please. Regards stephen w. wanjau Phone: +254 771 557 857 twitter:haha_wanjau B.Sc statistics and computer science. JKUAT On Jun 27, 2011 10:00 PM, "Abbas Mahmood" <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote: because I never attached the updated bylaws. Therefore, please find the revised version attached. you have any more you would like to add? dont rember seeing Chris' or anyones suggesdtions other thanAlex and I about the Project manger's roles "He/she shall review be powerful chairperson who calls all the shots.What I maent is ,what if the chair denys the expenditure yet it may be right?Shouldnt a 3rd person be involved say the secretary?or any board member? word "Chair" means on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chair. Do you still want us to re-title it? and yes my vote would be for the chair rather than Chairperson...but then I only have one vote..... changes ChapCom.

Hi Abbas, This is some good work. Please give us a deadline: maybe Thursday noon, we scrutinize the document further before you submit it to chapcom. Have a great day. On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com>wrote;wrote: -- *Chris A. Riwa* Research Specialist and Consultant Mobile: *+254(0)725-930-850 *e-mail: - *chriwaustin(a)gmail.com* - *otieno_chris(a)yahoo.com* - *chriwaustin(a)facebook.com* Facebook: *facebook.com/chriwaustin*

Abbas, Great work you have done.The bylaws now have my vote.You can now submit them to ChapCom once the other guys have given there take on the same. Cheers and kudos for the awesome work..... On 6/28/11, Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote: -- Limoke Oscar, mayenge.blogspot.com Freelancer, GeoInformatics and GIScience Student

Steve, We can consider changing the right to appeal to the next meeting rather than the next AGM. However, I think that membership denial will be a rarity. Errrr, I don't totally agree with you in that. Personally, if you tell me to vote again, I will still select the same person(s), regardless of the re-election. you'd have to get support for me to change that clause. At Wikimedia UK, the tie breaker is the one overseeing the elections. At Wikimedia Australia, it's the Chairman who acts as the tie-breaker. //abbas.

Chris: With regard to the maximum duration of board members, it's on page 8: I've put it at 2 consecutive years. I've also added what you said about the project manager. I also think we should re-think what Stephen had suggested: regarding the tie-breaker. whether to opt for a tie-breaker or a re-election. The advantage of a re-election over a Chairman acting as a tie-breaker is that there wouldn't be any bad blood/grudge that can arise. Do you guys think we should change it as well? Thank you all for your input. //abbas. Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 10:44:36 +0300 From: chriwaustin(a)gmail.com To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Bylaws final draft Hi everyone, My apologies for the delayed response, I have been quite held up of late. Anyway, Abbas: I haven't seen the statement specifying the duration which a board member holds a specified position. For instance, how long is a single term in office going to be and what is the maximum number of consecutive terms that a single member can hold a position? I think it is quite important to for us to ensure that we keep our board members on their toes while serving their terms as executives. This is meant to ensure that a board member strives to achieve their promised targets as encourage members to come up and pick managerial position. We are all volunteers at the end of the day and I strongly think that it would be much fairer if everyone is given a chance to provide and at the same time gain some managerial skills from our chapter. The roles of the project manager: I think it would be important for the project manager to be the one in charge of the provision or supervision of the issuance of project reports whenever necessary. The project manager shall coordinate the various projects being conducted with the board i. e. Act as the one to ensure the decision made are being adhered to to ensure the success of the project. The project manager shall be in-charge of ensuring the safe keeping and usage of the chapters equipments and facilities. The vice chair can be the one to take on some of the treasurers vital roles in case of the treasurer's absence so as to ensure the chair still does the authorization and another person does the implementation. In absence of the vice chair and treasure, another board member can pick up the role of treasurer as decided by the board. Thank you and have a great day. On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote: Steve, We can consider changing the right to appeal to the next meeting rather than the next AGM. However, I think that membership denial will be a rarity. Errrr, I don't totally agree with you in that. Personally, if you tell me to vote again, I will still select the same person(s), regardless of the re-election. you'd have to get support for me to change that clause. At Wikimedia UK, the tie breaker is the one overseeing the elections. At Wikimedia Australia, it's the Chairman who acts as the tie-breaker. //abbas. _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake -- Chris A. Riwa Research Specialist and Consultant Mobile: +254(0)725-930-850 e-mail: chriwaustin@gmail.comotieno_chris@yahoo.com chriwaustin(a)facebook.com Facebook: facebook.com/chriwaustin _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake

Hi, just as input for the Discussion a little description of what WMNL has (in the end it is more important that there is a clear procedure than which procedure exactly): * If the vote is about a proposal and there is a tie, the proposal is not accepted. (50%+1 is required to accept something) Status quo is maintained. * If a vote is about people (and a decision is required) the vote is secret. If multiple people end on the same place, a second round will be held with the top-2. If they tie, fate will decide (throw a coin). I don't say you have to use it, but it is just another option :) Best regards, Lodewijk 2011/6/30 Limoke Oscar <oslimoke(a)gmail.com>