let me repeat what I said earlier: we do NOT need TSLG to wire money into a personal
account. They could pay the expenses directly to the concerned parties.
And, to answer your question, when we receive a grant, whether it's from the
government or an institution, the grant is not tax-deductible so long as it is being
utilised to fulfill a non-profit mission. For instance, if you receive a grant to open up
an M-Pesa shop, you are supposed to pay tax out of it. But in our case, we are non-profit,
so we are tax-exempt.
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 22:37:11 -0700
From: bruceobwari(a)gmail.com
To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
First let me say the case of TSL &G offers us opportunity to learn , i do echo Abbas
sentiments regarding the need to focus on by-laws,having listened to the guy ,it did make
lots of sense that if we think of engaging others we need to have a formalized engagement
,his being a corporate body it was crucial . point of correction ,the issue of money being
deposited on individual account and having people posing as wikimedians was extensively
used as an example to issue how we can run into serious legal issues if we don't
address the issue of formality,
On a lighter note, somebody please educate me on this ,whats our tax obligations
when money is deposited in our accounts ,VAT , income tax, pay as you earn /deposit ,zero
rated tax, have a tax -free day ,won't you!
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:42 AM, stephen wanjau <wanjaustev(a)gmail.com> wrote:
personally,I think we should focus on the bylaws then form some legal
framework.It was part of the plan anyway.
On 4/4/11, lilian nyarera <lireshi(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Hey Abbas, its time we gave the bylaws a priority
because i don't think
there's any pressing issue at the moment. Again
you know matters dealing
with money must be delt with a lot of sensitivity so
that the faster we
develop a legal framework the better. We are
constantly growing big and soon
the members, grantors/donors will require audited work
with signatories.
Thats just my thot. though. Regards.
On Mon Apr 4th, 2011 10:12 AM PDT Abbas Mahmood wrote:
>I propose that we now focus more on the bylaws and
legal vehicle so that we
> can submit the final draft and get registered
ASAP, lest we shall miss
> this and many more partnerships to come.
>
>> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:35:39 +0000
>> From: sarahosano(a)gmail.com
>> To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you
think?
>>
>> Hello Steve,
>> I agree that we would require an account
becouse at some point we will be
>> asking for grants,donations or something,and
other than the foundation,I
>> dont think anybody else would be willing to
deposit money in personal
>> account.
>> At this stage that we are still not a legal
entity,I find it tricky to
>> form such a partnership.It is a great idea
though.
>> Regards
>>
>> Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>> >I do not agree with the fact that
''money that enters into a personal
>> > account must be taxed''. And who
said we need money in the first
>> > place?? I mean, they don't have to
wire us the money: they could
>> > directly pay the accommodation and other
bills without the money
>> > passing into our hands.
>>>
>> >Personnally, I'm also skeptical in
forming such a partnershp at this
>> > stage -- simply because we aren't
registered as yet.
>>>
>> >Regarding our IDs, let's just say that
the schools laid mutual trust in
>> > us, since after all, they were the sole
beneficiaries and they had
>> > nothing to lose. However, this current
scenario is more complex, since
>> > it is a partnership and usually requires
both parties signing an
>> > official document, which I don't
think we have the capacity to do so.
>>>
>> >I remember talking to Sue (the Executive
Director of WMF) while I was in
>> > Berlin regarding the grants process and
she told me that the reason why
>> > the Foundation gives out grants to
chapters is because they want us to
>> > make mistakes and learn from our
mistakes, since the foundation is
>> > softer, forgiving and has a sense of
trust in us. However, when we make
>> > a mistake with TSLG, we have the law to
answer.
>>>
>> >I'm not saying no to this partnership,
but neither am I saying yes. I
>> > remain skeptical and await to see other
reactions.
>>>
>> >Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 18:29:07 +0300
>> >From: wanjaustev(a)gmail.com
>> >To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>> >Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you
think?
>>>
>> >Just expounding on what Bruce just
explained.The managing director Of
>> > TSLG ,Mr. Arthur Olual main worry is
security on our side and his too
>> > because his is already a company.
>>>
>> >He said that at some time back some guys
went to a school and said they
>> > were sent by TSLG and then went ahead.
>>>
>> >to collect five computers that they said
required servicing at 'their
>> > station'.luckily the school called
him and he told the school
>> > administration that nobody has been
mandated to collect computers from
>> > schools by TSLG!
>>>
>>>
>> >About the money to carry on the project,he
said he cannot deposit money
>> > into personal accounts because the
auditors could quiz the same and its
>> > bad governance!Money into a personal
account is income and should be
>> > taxed.(probably our colleagues who take
accounting know what that
>> > means)
>>>
>>>
>> >By the same token someone could go out and
pose to be a wiki-median and
>> > do some harm out there then we would be
in trouble with the law.
>>>
>> >In fact he asked us how we have been
presenting/introducing ourselves at
>> > the schools we visited!
>>>
>>>
>> >So I guess that this is a wake up call so
that we lay down measures to
>> > register as a legal entity.
>>>
>> >Cheers,
>>>
>>> >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:04 PM, BRANTON OBWARI
<bruceobwari(a)gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>> >Steve and i have just met the TSL &G
MD
>> >we had a very
>> >constructive discussion and among issues
that came was the issue of a
>> >formal engagement in the manner that he
gets a formal communication from
>> > the Foundation ,or rather some official
communication from the chapters
>> > heads i.e Abbas ,Oscar,
>>>
>> > He was of the view the earlier we
formalize the better coz he
>> >would be having a meeting with Ministry of
Education in the next few
>> >days and he wanted us to have some
representatives in the same meeting.
>>>
>> > He also said that the next training for
Nyeri teachers was scheduled to
>> > occur in the next two weeks and was
requesting our participation if we
>> >are formally engaged.
>>>
>> > He said we can engage him either by
one, training his team and
>> > giving them the content for them to for
them to install OR by
>> > incorporating two members from our team ,
>>>
>> > The bone of contention at the moment is
the formal engagement so we
>> > urge Abbas and Oscar to facilitate that,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> > rgds ,
>>>
>> > Steve and Bruce.
>> >- Show quoted text -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:00 PM, BRANTON OBWARI
<bruceobwari(a)gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> >Steve and i have just met the TSL &G
MD
>> >we had a very constructive discussion and
among issues that came was the
>> > issue of a formal engagement in the
manner that he gets a formal
>> > communication from the Foundation ,or
rather some official
>> > communication from the chapters heads i.e
Abbas ,Oscar,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> > He was of the view the earlier we
formalize the better coz he
>> > would be having a meeting with Ministry
of Education in the next few
>> > days and he wanted us to have some
representatives in the same meeting.
>> > He also said that the next training
for Nyeri teachers was
>> > scheduled to occur in the next two weeks
and was requesting our
>> > participation if we are formally engaged.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> > He said we can engage him either by
one, training his team and
>> > giving them the content
>>> >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:04 AM, oscar okwero
<oscar_okwero(a)yahoo.com
>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> >for a new entrant am impressed by
that,lets do more to engage our
>> > members.
>>>
>> >--- On Sat, 4/2/11, Alex Wafula
<xelawafs(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >From: Alex Wafula <xelawafs(a)yahoo.com
>>>
>> >Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you
think?
>> >To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>> >Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 5:22 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> >Hey Branton,
>>>
>> >Seems like a great idea. So when do you
plan to meetup with these guys
>> > next and get more details on this.
>>>
>> >Cheers,
>> >Alex.
>>>
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