Well, I don't have much knowledge about calendar
living practices beyond
Greogorian calendar, sorry if I misunderstood your problem. Does that also
apply to day names, or just month names?
Would you be kind enough to give me some concrete examples of what you
would like to obtain and what are possible side effect you are concern
about, with some explanation and latin transcription (if possible)?
I still believe adding other calendar support might have some interest.
But maybe it would be more relevant to continue this aspect of the
discussion on the phabricator ticket
<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155824>.
Le 20/01/2017 à 13:40, Haytham Abulela ALY a écrit :
Hi Mathieu,
My comment is not related to Assyrian or Aramaic. The issue is that
countries of the Levant and Mesopotamia have applied the names of the
Assyrian/Aramaic calendar to the Gregorian calendar in Arabic letters. This
has become a norm for decades. I think that all that needs to be done in
this regard is to update the list from which the string of code suggested
retrieves values, and the string of code shall remain as is without any
changes necessary. My concern here would be that this might affect values
in cells of tables, since the string of text will comprise of two or three
words. If this matter becomes a nuisance, we may ignore it as the current
state of affairs is suitable for the majority of Arabic speakers. I was
trying to have an inclusive approach instead of favouring one format over
another.
Regards,
On 20 January 2017 at 02:25, mathieu stumpf guntz <
psychoslave(a)culture-libre.org> wrote:
Saluton Haytham,
If you look at the documentation
<https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#.23time>,
non-Gregorian formating is supported. Now having a deeper look at it, it
seems that Assyrian calendar
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_calendar> is not yet in the set
of supported calendars, so a phabricator ticket should be filled here I
think, shouldn't it. I don't know what is the the ISO 639-3 you would like
to use "*aii*" (Assyrian Neo-Aramaic) or *"arc*" (Aramaic language),
but
in both case it seems that localization is missing
<https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Psychoslave/asiria_kalendaro> for
already provided month names.
So for the sake of the example, let's say there was a "xaF" formatting
code which would provide an Assyrian calendar full month name, then as far
as I understand, you would like to use:
{{#time:xaF|$date1|aii}} ({{#time:F|$date1|aii}})
Thank you Johan for the feedback request. We have here and there
complaints when staff is argued to not take enough into account community
advises, so it seems fair to also emphasize actions when they are done with
a community feedback in the loop.
Le 19/01/2017 à 18:58, Haytham Aly a écrit :
Hi Johan,
This idea is brilliant.
My own concern for Arabic is that there are two major ways for displaying
Gregorian month names; transliteration as well as the Assyrian names.
Usually transliterated names suffice, but I prefer using both divided by a
slash. This is due to differences in official use, since transliterated
names are used in Egypt, Sudan, Libya, Yemen, and Gulf states; while
Assyrian names are used in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Palestine.
Could this automation function render both or just the common
transliterated month names? It would be a bonus to have both displayed,
though only transliterated month names would suffice.
Regards,
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On 19/01/2017 8:31 AM, Johan Jönsson wrote:
Hi everyone,
TL;DR: Dates in items that are in the newsletter every week could be in a
format that means you could get a 100% in the translation memory and not
have to change the days and months every week. Do you want this?
Longer version:
Based on Mathieu's suggestion, I've tested adding dates within <tvar>
tags. This makes it more complicated the first time you translate, but
should mean that you can then use a 100% match from the translation memory
every time and just click on it the same way you do for any other content
that stays exactly the same, instead of manually having to change the days
and months every new week.
It looks like this:
{#time:<tvar|defualtformat>d xg</>|<tvar|date1>2017-01-24</
|<tvar|format_language_code>{{CURRENTCONTENTLANGUAGE}}</>}} which means
that I get this when I translate:
{{#time:$defualtformat|$date1|$format_language_code}}.
For Swedish, I can just keep it like that: Where the English original
said "24 January" the Swedish translation will say "24 januari".
Some languages write dates in another format. For Mandarin Chinese, the
first time I do a translation I need to change it to
{{#time:n月j日|$date1|$format_language_code}} (and the same for $date2 and
$date3). I imagine RTL languages will need to change something too the
first time they translate this, for example.
All possible options are described here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#.23time
Pro: Less burden for returning translators. You translate this once,
whether you change the date format or not, then you just click on the
translation in the translation memory next week.
Con: More complicated. More difficult for new translators, especially if
the standard format doesn't match the norms of their language.
The question: Do you want this, or did you prefer it the way it was? This
is all about making it as easy as possible for you, so you decide.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Transla
te&group=page-Tech%2FNews%2F2017%2F04&action=page
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/2017/04
//Johan Jönsson
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