This is indeed a very crucial discussion. At some
stage we should take it
on wiki. It is also important to hear more and more people speak on this.
I have checked the russian site. The translated version can be found here:
ev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fru.wikijournal.org%2Fwiki%2F
Заглавная_страница&edit-text=&act=url
My view is that we should ask Philip to name his price. Apart from that
we should help him to relocate to another domain with the 200 or so
articles that he has. We also need to reassure him that the relocated site
would continue to earn equal revenue after an initial dip and that we would
help in redirecting traffic to his new domain wherever applicable.
I would not support a name change of our journal at this stage.
Regards
Diptanshu
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On 28 February 2017 at 19:08, Felipe Schenone <schenonef(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I had a long talk with Philip, the owner of
wikijournal.org
He has worked on the project for 4 years, has 200 articles, 600 page
views per day and makes a dollar a day with advertising. He will NOT accept
to sell his domain for 300 dollars, it makes no sense.
Also, I should mention that his main language is Russian, so a merge
with it would give us a Russian version of the project, which is something
to aim for if we want the project to grow.
I think that there are three possible ways to go:
1. Seek a merge
2. Rename the project and secure the relevant .org domain from the
beginning
3. Do nothing, keep developing WikiJournal on Wikiversity and see what
time brings
If we want a merge, I seriously think we should ask Philip to name his
price and include that into the grant request, rather than offering him a
couple hundred dollars as if his work and time count for nothing. He is
currently well predisposed towards a merge, largely because I approached
him with respect for his work, so please don't screw it. A good
predisposition will lead him to ask a reasonable price, and will also keep
him active in the project after the merge.
So what do you think? Should I ask what is his price?
Kind regards,
On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 11:40 PM Diptanshu Das <das.diptanshu(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I would favour starting a rapid grant request at the earliest. Prior to
our adoption of the name "WikiJournal" the present owner of the domain
WikiJournal.org was planning not to renew it. Mikael's communication had
confirmed the same. But the renewed interest in the name somehow got him
interested again, perhaps not for an independent project but for some
unstated impending gain. In such a case a direct monetary offer as well as
a trademark application seems essential.
Regards
Diptanshu
On 27-Feb-2017 1:43 AM, "Thomas Shafee" <thomas.shafee(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I'd support a buy-out of the WikiJournal domain. The existing project
there is almost empty and has barely been updated. A google search for
"WikiJournal" finds us before them. And "Wikijournal of X" finds the
relevant pages as first hits.
I think that becoming the best known Wikijournal is more impedance than
being the only. Similarly, as we grow, we will overtake the "wiki journal
club" in Google pagerank prominence.
The WMF seemed approve of the previous grant, so I think that a new
rapid grant would be a good idea. It achieves very clear outcomes, is low
cost, and works towards a larger goal of solidifying the WikiJournals (med
and sci) that address content quality issues they're consistently
interested in.
I'll happily help out writing the grant if we go ahead (will be most
free late March).
Thomas
On 26 Feb 2017 04:09, "Michaël Laurent" <michael.laurent(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Daniel,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, if more people would do so we would
advance faster imho.
I think that having the most logical name and perhaps ask Philip to
donate the domain like you say, is better than a completely novel name
which is less easily understood.
But I'd love to hear more from others.
BW Michaël
Op 26 feb. 2017 12:12 schreef "Gwinyai Masukume" <parturitions(a)gmail.com
:
Hi All,
If I'm not mistaken a rapid grant can be applied for at a moments notice
(rather than wait for ~one year)? In my view the sooner these issues are
attended to the better.
Kindest regards,
Gwinyai
Apologies for brevity and typos - sent from mobile.
On 26 Feb 2017 10:17, "Diptanshu Das" <das.diptanshu(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All
I would like to back Mikael. I also think that inclusion of $300 for the
domain and $200 for the trademark are justified. As of now I would not be
worried about the co-existence of another WikiJournal. However, I feel that
our tagline (or something similar) should contain something to distinguish
among the two.
Regards
Diptanshu Das
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On 26 February 2017 at 15:25, James Heilman <jmh649(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Having the same name is not a huge issue. For example there are three
medical journals called "Open Medicine" (one in Canada, one in Europe, and
one in the Arabic peninsula). There are also more than a dozen cities
called London
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_(disambiguation)
J
On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Mikael Häggström <
editor.in.chief(a)wikijmed.org> wrote:
I appreciate your views. As for the Wikimedia Journal name, we did have
a name vote a while ago to choose the current name, and that one was among
the candidates (but only received a few votes):
https://en.wikiversity
.org/wiki/WikiJournal/Future_as_separate_Wikimedia_project#Name_election
I don't find the co-existence of Philip's
wikijournal.org to exclude
our usage of the WikiJournal name. Also, as I understand, his project is a
more inclusionist
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deletionism_and_inclusionism_in_Wikipedia> wiki
than Wikipedia, and supported by AdSense
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AdSense> ads in the articles since his
goal is also to make it profitable. I actually doubt he will continue that
project in the long run. I think he bought the
wikijournal.org for a
couple of hundred dollars, so in this year's grant application (link to
that of last year
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Rapid/WikiJournal_of_Medicine>
) I think we can also apply for a single addition of perhaps about $300
to offer him for the domain, which I think he is likely to eventually take.
Although he has invested considerable time developing his project, his
project design is indeed different from our own visions, so I don't see any
other aspect of
wikijournal.org that we should use apart from the
domain name. Nevertheless, I think we may also offer him credit as "creator
of the
wikijournal.org domain" at our Milestones.
<https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/About#Milestones>
In any case, I think we will get hold of the
wikijournal.org domain
before becoming a separate Wikimedia project.
Although WikiJournal of Medicine is a registered non-profit
organization, the WikiJournal name is not yet registered as a trademark by
anyone. Perhaps we should add $200 to the next grant application to have
the trademark registered, and then have it recognized internationally
through the Madrid system. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrid_system>
Best regards,
Mikael
On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 12:57 AM, Daniel Mietchen <
daniel.mietchen(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
Dear all,
I have not been privy to those past conversations but here are my
comments anyway:
- I am not thrilled about the name WikiJournal, given that
https://wikijournal.org/ exists and what it does.
- there is still room to sort out naming issues as long as we are not
formally organized
- there was a similar situation with Wikitravel, which resulted in the
name change to Wikivoyage
- another similar situation arose with WikiProject Med, which wanted
to be registered as "Wikimedia Medicine", but that was not OKed by WMF
- I am not sure having WikiJournal (under whatever name) as a
different sister project is the best way to move forward, and in any
case, it is not obvious to me how Philip could help with that other
than by contributing the domain.
- If it were to become a new sister project, why not just go for
something like
https://journal.wikimedia.org and perhaps "Wikimedia
Journal"?
- I think it makes sense to aim at becoming a thematic organization as
a next step, once the naming issue is sorted out
Cheers,
Daniel
On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Gwinyai Masukume
<parturitions(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Diptanshu,
Several of us were not keen on Wikijournal because the name had
already been
used. I guess the naming issue is now water under
the bridge.
Kindest regards,
Gwinyai
On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 3:08 AM, Diptanshu Das <
das.diptanshu(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> If you people remember, I had initially spoken against adaptation of
the
> name Wikijournal. It was because of the
confusion that entities like
>
https://en.wikijournal.org/wiki/WikiJournal may create. The
subsequent vote
> shifted toward WikiJournal and that is
perfectly ok but our by-laws
should
> clearly mention about this WikiJournal, the
Wiki Journal Club etc.
stating
> that these are independent and
un-affiliated.
>
> Regards
> Diptanshu
>
>
> Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to.
>
> On 25 February 2017 at 01:57, Mikael Häggström
> <editor.in.chief(a)wikijmed.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi WikiJournal participants!
>>
>> I had a talk with the domain owner of wikijournal.orgrecently, and
it is
>> possible to merge our projects if we
attain a WikiJournal/Future as
separate
>> Wikimedia project - see also talk entry
there at
>>
en.wikijournal.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal. I think the most
important next
>> step is to become a "thematic
organization", proving that we can
work as a
>> separate organization: I can start a
draft of bylaws soon.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mikael
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