I don't see what kind of vulnerability a deal like this would confer to us.
In any case, it doesn't seem harmful to ask for a price, so I now did at
his page at https://en.wikijournal.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal
On a side note, I'd like to welcome Felipe Schenone to our WikiJournal
Council
<https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal/WikiJournal_User_Group#WikiJour…>
(a group that still doesn't have any official status, but may soon have as
we push WikiJournal towards becoming a thematic organization
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_thematic_organizations>).
Best regards,
Mikael
On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 9:25 PM, Gwinyai Masukume <parturitions(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm a little concerned about recent happenings. The domain wikijournal.org
> seemed to be inactive when the vote was done (now there's talk of hundreds
> of dollars). In my own view, a merger is off the table because the
> underlying philosophies are fundamentally different. In addition, we do not
> need that domain to function and using Wikimedia foundation funds to
> purchase domains opens us up to all sorts of vulnerability. Wikijournal of
> xx is unique enough in my view. I propose option 3, continuing as usual.
>
> Kindest regards,
> Gwinyai
>
> Apologies for brevity and typos - sent from mobile
>
> On 28 Feb 2017 20:05, "Mikael Häggström" <editor.in.chief(a)wikijmed.org>
> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Unfortunately, I don't find those 200 Russian pages at wikijournal.ru to
> fulfill our vision of a peer reviewed scientific journal, so I would oppose
> a merge. I agree we can ask him about what price he would be willing to
> have for the wikijournal.org domain. He could still continue to use the
> Russian wikijournal.ru domain which he previously used to redirect to the
> Russian site. It would never be worth the effort for us to secure every
> national version of the wikijournal domain.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mikael
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 7:37 PM, Diptanshu Das <das.diptanshu(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Wikijournal.org's tagline reads: Free, independent, international online
>> magazine
>> Wikimag.org is available. https://domainr.com/wikimag.org?q=wikimag
>> We could insist (request) to Philip that he migrates to this domain.
>> Perhaps this is more applicable for the purpose they intend to use it for.
>>
>> Regards
>> Diptanshu
>>
>>
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>>
>> On 28 February 2017 at 23:16, Diptanshu Das <das.diptanshu(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is indeed a very crucial discussion. At some stage we should take
>>> it on wiki. It is also important to hear more and more people speak on this.
>>>
>>> I have checked the russian site. The translated version can be found
>>> here:
>>> https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&pr
>>> ev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fru.wikijournal.org%2Fwiki%2F
>>> Заглавная_страница&edit-text=&act=url
>>>
>>> My view is that we should ask Philip to name his price. Apart from that
>>> we should help him to relocate to another domain with the 200 or so
>>> articles that he has. We also need to reassure him that the relocated site
>>> would continue to earn equal revenue after an initial dip and that we would
>>> help in redirecting traffic to his new domain wherever applicable.
>>>
>>> I would not support a name change of our journal at this stage.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Diptanshu
>>>
>>>
>>> Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to.
>>>
>>> On 28 February 2017 at 19:08, Felipe Schenone <schenonef(a)gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I had a long talk with Philip, the owner of wikijournal.org
>>>>
>>>> He has worked on the project for 4 years, has 200 articles, 600 page
>>>> views per day and makes a dollar a day with advertising. He will NOT accept
>>>> to sell his domain for 300 dollars, it makes no sense.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I should mention that his main language is Russian, so a merge
>>>> with it would give us a Russian version of the project, which is something
>>>> to aim for if we want the project to grow.
>>>>
>>>> I think that there are three possible ways to go:
>>>> 1. Seek a merge
>>>> 2. Rename the project and secure the relevant .org domain from the
>>>> beginning
>>>> 3. Do nothing, keep developing WikiJournal on Wikiversity and see what
>>>> time brings
>>>>
>>>> If we want a merge, I seriously think we should ask Philip to name his
>>>> price and include that into the grant request, rather than offering him a
>>>> couple hundred dollars as if his work and time count for nothing. He is
>>>> currently well predisposed towards a merge, largely because I approached
>>>> him with respect for his work, so please don't screw it. A good
>>>> predisposition will lead him to ask a reasonable price, and will also keep
>>>> him active in the project after the merge.
>>>>
>>>> So what do you think? Should I ask what is his price?
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 11:40 PM Diptanshu Das <das.diptanshu(a)gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would favour starting a rapid grant request at the earliest. Prior to
>>>> our adoption of the name "WikiJournal" the present owner of the domain
>>>> WikiJournal.org was planning not to renew it. Mikael's communication had
>>>> confirmed the same. But the renewed interest in the name somehow got him
>>>> interested again, perhaps not for an independent project but for some
>>>> unstated impending gain. In such a case a direct monetary offer as well as
>>>> a trademark application seems essential.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Diptanshu
>>>> On 27-Feb-2017 1:43 AM, "Thomas Shafee" <thomas.shafee(a)gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'd support a buy-out of the WikiJournal domain. The existing project
>>>> there is almost empty and has barely been updated. A google search for
>>>> "WikiJournal" finds us before them. And "Wikijournal of X" finds the
>>>> relevant pages as first hits.
>>>>
>>>> I think that becoming the best known Wikijournal is more impedance than
>>>> being the only. Similarly, as we grow, we will overtake the "wiki journal
>>>> club" in Google pagerank prominence.
>>>>
>>>> The WMF seemed approve of the previous grant, so I think that a new
>>>> rapid grant would be a good idea. It achieves very clear outcomes, is low
>>>> cost, and works towards a larger goal of solidifying the WikiJournals (med
>>>> and sci) that address content quality issues they're consistently
>>>> interested in.
>>>>
>>>> I'll happily help out writing the grant if we go ahead (will be most
>>>> free late March).
>>>> Thomas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 26 Feb 2017 04:09, "Michaël Laurent" <michael.laurent(a)gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for sharing your thoughts, if more people would do so we would
>>>> advance faster imho.
>>>>
>>>> I think that having the most logical name and perhaps ask Philip to
>>>> donate the domain like you say, is better than a completely novel name
>>>> which is less easily understood.
>>>>
>>>> But I'd love to hear more from others.
>>>>
>>>> BW Michaël
>>>>
>>>> Op 26 feb. 2017 12:12 schreef "Gwinyai Masukume" <
>>>> parturitions(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> If I'm not mistaken a rapid grant can be applied for at a moments
>>>> notice (rather than wait for ~one year)? In my view the sooner these issues
>>>> are attended to the better.
>>>>
>>>> Kindest regards,
>>>> Gwinyai
>>>>
>>>> Apologies for brevity and typos - sent from mobile.
>>>>
>>>> On 26 Feb 2017 10:17, "Diptanshu Das" <das.diptanshu(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear All
>>>>
>>>> I would like to back Mikael. I also think that inclusion of $300 for
>>>> the domain and $200 for the trademark are justified. As of now I would not
>>>> be worried about the co-existence of another WikiJournal. However, I feel
>>>> that our tagline (or something similar) should contain something to
>>>> distinguish among the two.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Diptanshu Das
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> On 26 February 2017 at 15:25, James Heilman <jmh649(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Having the same name is not a huge issue. For example there are three
>>>> medical journals called "Open Medicine" (one in Canada, one in Europe, and
>>>> one in the Arabic peninsula). There are also more than a dozen cities
>>>> called London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_(disambiguation)
>>>>
>>>> J
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Mikael Häggström <
>>>> editor.in.chief(a)wikijmed.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I appreciate your views. As for the Wikimedia Journal name, we did have
>>>> a name vote a while ago to choose the current name, and that one was among
>>>> the candidates (but only received a few votes): https://en.wikiversity
>>>> .org/wiki/WikiJournal/Future_as_separate_Wikimedia_project#N
>>>> ame_election
>>>>
>>>> I don't find the co-existence of Philip's wikijournal.org to exclude
>>>> our usage of the WikiJournal name. Also, as I understand, his project is a
>>>> more inclusionist
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deletionism_and_inclusionism_in_Wikipedia> wiki
>>>> than Wikipedia, and supported by AdSense
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AdSense> ads in the articles since his
>>>> goal is also to make it profitable. I actually doubt he will continue that
>>>> project in the long run. I think he bought the wikijournal.org for a
>>>> couple of hundred dollars, so in this year's grant application (link
>>>> to that of last year
>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Rapid/WikiJournal_of_Medicine>
>>>> ) I think we can also apply for a single addition of perhaps about
>>>> $300 to offer him for the domain, which I think he is likely to eventually
>>>> take. Although he has invested considerable time developing his project,
>>>> his project design is indeed different from our own visions, so I don't see
>>>> any other aspect of wikijournal.org that we should use apart from the
>>>> domain name. Nevertheless, I think we may also offer him credit as "creator
>>>> of the wikijournal.org domain" at our Milestones.
>>>> <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/About#Milestones>
>>>> In any case, I think we will get hold of the wikijournal.org domain
>>>> before becoming a separate Wikimedia project.
>>>>
>>>> Although WikiJournal of Medicine is a registered non-profit
>>>> organization, the WikiJournal name is not yet registered as a trademark by
>>>> anyone. Perhaps we should add $200 to the next grant application to have
>>>> the trademark registered, and then have it recognized internationally
>>>> through the Madrid system.
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrid_system>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Mikael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 12:57 AM, Daniel Mietchen <
>>>> daniel.mietchen(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> I have not been privy to those past conversations but here are my
>>>> comments anyway:
>>>> - I am not thrilled about the name WikiJournal, given that
>>>> https://wikijournal.org/ exists and what it does.
>>>> - there is still room to sort out naming issues as long as we are not
>>>> formally organized
>>>> - there was a similar situation with Wikitravel, which resulted in the
>>>> name change to Wikivoyage
>>>> - another similar situation arose with WikiProject Med, which wanted
>>>> to be registered as "Wikimedia Medicine", but that was not OKed by WMF
>>>> - I am not sure having WikiJournal (under whatever name) as a
>>>> different sister project is the best way to move forward, and in any
>>>> case, it is not obvious to me how Philip could help with that other
>>>> than by contributing the domain.
>>>> - If it were to become a new sister project, why not just go for
>>>> something like https://journal.wikimedia.org and perhaps "Wikimedia
>>>> Journal"?
>>>> - I think it makes sense to aim at becoming a thematic organization as
>>>> a next step, once the naming issue is sorted out
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Gwinyai Masukume
>>>> <parturitions(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Hi Diptanshu,
>>>> >
>>>> > Several of us were not keen on Wikijournal because the name had
>>>> already been
>>>> > used. I guess the naming issue is now water under the bridge.
>>>> >
>>>> > Kindest regards,
>>>> > Gwinyai
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 3:08 AM, Diptanshu Das <
>>>> das.diptanshu(a)gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> If you people remember, I had initially spoken against adaptation of
>>>> the
>>>> >> name Wikijournal. It was because of the confusion that entities like
>>>> >> https://en.wikijournal.org/wiki/WikiJournal may create. The
>>>> subsequent vote
>>>> >> shifted toward WikiJournal and that is perfectly ok but our by-laws
>>>> should
>>>> >> clearly mention about this WikiJournal, the Wiki Journal Club etc.
>>>> stating
>>>> >> that these are independent and un-affiliated.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Regards
>>>> >> Diptanshu
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to.
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>>>> >> On 25 February 2017 at 01:57, Mikael Häggström
>>>> >> <editor.in.chief(a)wikijmed.org> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Hi WikiJournal participants!
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I had a talk with the domain owner of wikijournal.orgrecently, and
>>>> it is
>>>> >>> possible to merge our projects if we attain a WikiJournal/Future as
>>>> separate
>>>> >>> Wikimedia project - see also talk entry there at
>>>> >>> en.wikijournal.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal. I think the most
>>>> important next
>>>> >>> step is to become a "thematic organization", proving that we can
>>>> work as a
>>>> >>> separate organization: I can start a draft of bylaws soon.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Best regards,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Mikael
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