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Dhaval S. Vyas

1 May 2014 1 May '14

8:15 p.m.

Thank you Ravi for making us aware that WMF is happily funding content generation (or in nicer term Content upload) as Asaf from WMF and User Blue Rasberry have suggested. This is a great news for my Gujarati wikisource community, whom I am including in this reply. Dear Gujarati Wiki Community, Please visit the link in below email, where Wikimedia Foundation (shortly known as WMF) is suggesting that they are funding (in simpler term paying) for content upload. This is the task that we all are doing free of cost so far. Because you have uploaded hundreds (may be thousands) of pages so far as we have created 50+ books on gu.wikisource, all our efforts will be paid now by WMF (in fact should have been paid so far as well). If you have any doubt, reach out to User:Bluerasberry and User:Ijon on meta ( meta.wikimedia.org). Asaf (User:Ijon) clearly suggests that Bots are under the paid activity considered by WMF. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/… Get as much benefit you get of WMF's this offer. Hi Asaf, Can the community claim back the money that would have hypothetically been paid to if they applied for the grant before they started uploading the content of rare literature? On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Ravishankar <ravidreams(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Hi, Poor volunteers of the global Wikisource communities, Don't waste your time typing text. Get paid or hire staff to do the work. For more details, see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/… Ravi _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

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Lane Rasberry

1 May 1 May

9:56 p.m.

New subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Attn: Wikisource communities - Don't waste your time typing text. Get paid.

Hello Dhaval and others, I have no affiliation with the WMF and the WMF speaks for itself. I am a member of Wikimedia New York City but cannot speak on behalf of any organization. Of course Dhaval is joking a bit. I do encourage the Gujarati and all Indian Wikimedia communities to apply for more grants, and if anyone does this, feel free to email me or message my bluerasberry meta or English page and I will comment on the proposal. I am not sure of the best way to build community in India but I do wish that contributors in India would do more to reach out to Wikipedians in other countries. Poor Asaf has to manage the entire world and of course there is no way he is able to read everything and respond to everyone. He can answer you as he wishes but I feel that Wikipedians everywhere should try to take their concerns to other volunteers and especially other chapters, and not entirely to the WMF. If Indian projects get the approval of other Wikimedia chapters then I assure you that will make those projects more persuasive to grant reviewing committees, and in general, the more friends anyone has in more community volunteer groups the more luck you will have. Also, if anyone wants to talk to me by phone or Skype feel free to email me and make an appointment. I live in New York and will make arrangements to talk in during Indian day time as I can. yours, On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas <dsvyas(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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-- Lane Rasberry user:bluerasberry on Wikipedia 206.801.0814 lane(a)bluerasberry.com

Kartik Mistry

2 May 2 May

3:33 a.m.

New subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Attn: Wikisource communities - Don't waste your time typing text. Get paid.

On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 1:45 AM, Dhaval S. Vyas <dsvyas(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Please visit the link in below email, where Wikimedia Foundation (shortly known as WMF) is suggesting that they are funding (in simpler term paying) for content upload. This is the task that we all are doing free of cost so far. Because you have uploaded hundreds (may be thousands) of pages so far as we have created 50+ books on gu.wikisource, all our efforts will be paid now by WMF (in fact should have been paid so far as well). If you have any doubt, reach out to User:Bluerasberry and User:Ijon on meta (meta.wikimedia.org). Asaf (User:Ijon) clearly suggests that Bots are under the paid activity considered by WMF. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/…

Already in progress: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_J… -- Kartik Mistry/કાર્તિક મિસ્ત્રી | IRC: kart_ {kartikm, 0x1f1f}.wordpress.com

Dhaval S. Vyas

7:08 a.m.

New subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Attn: Wikisource communities - Don't waste your time typing text. Get paid.

Dear Kartikbhai, That is not the proposal by Gujarati wiki community, it is from CIS. Also, if you notice, in that proposal, there is no payment to the community, who will really be putting pain in digitising/uploading/typing/correcting the content. And on the contrary, CIS staff will be paid a reasonable share from the grant. I have my name mentioned in that proposal, for which I have to had provide declaration on a discussion page of CIS's grant application. I am on my mobile at the moment so can't find the link to it to share. If anyone wants to see my comment, let me know and I will share the link. Yes, of course, the idea on which CIS has built the proposal was from me, but I had only spoken once soon after wikimenia and then came to know about proposal just when it was ready. I have had no more involvement in that proposal apart from initial idea, which was jointly shared by Sushant Savla, a fellow admin on gu.wikisource. Dhaval On 2 May 2014 04:33, "Kartik Mistry" <kartik.mistry(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 1:45 AM, Dhaval S. Vyas <dsvyas(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Please visit the link in below email, where Wikimedia Foundation (shortly known as WMF) is suggesting that they are funding (in simpler term

paying)

for content upload. This is the task that we all are doing free of cost

far. Because you have uploaded hundreds (may be thousands) of pages so

far

as we have created 50+ books on gu.wikisource, all our efforts will be

paid

now by WMF (in fact should have been paid so far as well). If you have

any

doubt, reach out to User:Bluerasberry and User:Ijon on meta (meta.wikimedia.org). Asaf (User:Ijon) clearly suggests that Bots are

under

the paid activity considered by WMF.

Vishnu

7:20 a.m.

New subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Attn: Wikisource communities - Don't waste your time typing text. Get paid.

...

Please visit the link in below email, where Wikimedia Foundation

(shortly

known as WMF) is suggesting that they are funding (in simpler

term paying)

for content upload. This is the task that we all are doing free

of cost so

far. Because you have uploaded hundreds (may be thousands) of

pages so far

as we have created 50+ books on gu.wikisource, all our efforts

will be paid

now by WMF (in fact should have been paid so far as well). If

you have any

doubt, reach out to User:Bluerasberry and User:Ijon on meta (meta.wikimedia.org <http://meta.wikimedia.org>). Asaf

(User:Ijon) clearly suggests that Bots are under

the paid activity considered by WMF.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/… Already in progress: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_J… -- Kartik Mistry/કાર્તિક મિસ્ત્રી | IRC: kart_ {kartikm, 0x1f1f}.wordpress.com <http://wordpress.com> _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

Jayanta Nath

7:47 a.m.

New subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Attn: Wikisource communities - Don't waste your time typing text. Get paid.

Thank you Dhaval for confirming that , I was assuming that Gujarati Wikisource project was coming from Gujarati wiki community. It is mean that project is CIS own preparation !!!! So why they are not proposed for others Indic Wikisource project like Bengali, Tamil Telugu, Marathi, Malayalam????? Regards, Jayanta Nath EC WMIN Bengali Wikisource On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Vishnu <visdaviva(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Dear Dhaval, I am sharing the link on the Meta where this has been discussed Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_Society/Proposal_form#Questions_about_this_form_and_the_relationship_between_CIS_and_Wikimedia Best, Vishnu On Friday 02 May 2014 12:38 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas wrote: Dear Kartikbhai, That is not the proposal by Gujarati wiki community, it is from CIS. Also, if you notice, in that proposal, there is no payment to the community, who will really be putting pain in digitising/uploading/typing/correcting the content. And on the contrary, CIS staff will be paid a reasonable share from the grant. I have my name mentioned in that proposal, for which I have to had provide declaration on a discussion page of CIS's grant application. I am on my mobile at the moment so can't find the link to it to share. If anyone wants to see my comment, let me know and I will share the link. Yes, of course, the idea on which CIS has built the proposal was from me, but I had only spoken once soon after wikimenia and then came to know about proposal just when it was ready. I have had no more involvement in that proposal apart from initial idea, which was jointly shared by Sushant Savla, a fellow admin on gu.wikisource. Dhaval On 2 May 2014 04:33, "Kartik Mistry" <kartik.mistry(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 1:45 AM, Dhaval S. Vyas <dsvyas(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Please visit the link in below email, where Wikimedia Foundation

(shortly

known as WMF) is suggesting that they are funding (in simpler term

paying)

for content upload. This is the task that we all are doing free of cost

far. Because you have uploaded hundreds (may be thousands) of pages so

far

as we have created 50+ books on gu.wikisource, all our efforts will be

paid

now by WMF (in fact should have been paid so far as well). If you have

any

doubt, reach out to User:Bluerasberry and User:Ijon on meta (meta.wikimedia.org). Asaf (User:Ijon) clearly suggests that Bots are

under

the paid activity considered by WMF.

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