Damn! Not enough coffee yet Here it is Here is the link of the video made with high-school students. On 13 April 2014 07:59, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote: -- Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

What a fabulous video Jon! Can haz one for the UK? Harry -- Harry Burt (User:Jarry1250) On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Damokos Bence <damokos.bence(a)wikimedia.hu _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

Hello all, I feel that as a list moderator I should step in and say that, for a second there, the tone of this list dropped needlessly. Fae, your email came across as rude: whether you meant it or not, that's how it came across. The main reason that this mailing list isn't much used by the general editing population is in my experience because the tone is hostile. That has to change if this list is to stay relevant and at the heart of the chapter and the UK movement. I accept that sometimes in real life hostility might be necessary in order to accomplish a goal, but I don't think that such a rule holds true on an internet mailing list. A reminder to us all (myself included) to put an extra bit of effort into being polite on the Internet. I don't want to stifle debate, and there's no problem with bad language if it's used to emphasise a point, but we can at least keep a friendly face on most emails. Complaints or comments should be addressed to the list moderators at wikimediauk-l-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

No, I don't get it. Can someone please highlight exactly how this statement is unacceptably rude? "If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you include the relevant content." Fae On 13 April 2014 08:36, Richard Symonds <richard.symonds(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: second across has chapter might be rule no at -- faewik(a)gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

Fae, I've seen worse emails to this list, but I can see Richard's point, which is that you could have written something to the effect of "Jon, would you mind including all the relevant information in your emails to the list", for example, which has the same meaning but does not come across as unnecessarily hostile. He wasn't asking you not to criticise, or not to point out Jon's omission (if he was, I'd be jumping to your aid instead of Richard's), just to tone it down one notch for the benefit of everyone else subscribed to this list. Thanks, Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell On Sunday, 13 April 2014, 10:04, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote: No, I don't get it. Can someone please highlight exactly how this statement is unacceptably rude? "If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you include the relevant content." Fae On 13 April 2014 08:36, Richard Symonds <richard.symonds(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: -- faewik(a)gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

No, Fae, I don't think that is obvious at all. It came across as snarky and bitchy and Richard was well within his rights to call you on it. On 13 Apr 2014 15:52, "Fæ" <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

As someone who reads the list but rarely contributes, may I make a suggestion? Moderators absolutely should pull people up for using an inappropriate tone in their emails. However this should be done, in the first instance, privately.

No, Fae, I don't think that is obvious at all. It came across as snarky and bitchy and Richard was well within his rights to call you on it. On 13 Apr 2014 15:52, "Fæ" <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Sure Harry, however I think it obvious that my email was not intended > to be rude. Considering how rarely we see moderators of this list > officially using their authority to criticise users, in fact I do not > recall this happening in 2013 or 2014 until now, I find this > incredibly odd. It seems reasonable to connect this sudden assumption > of bad faith, to my recent posts to Wikimedia-l which raised the issue > of the UK Chapter sending more people to the Wikimedia Conference this > weekend than any other Chapter, including the hosts, with the > inevitable response of being called a troll by one of the current > trustees. > > The trend for the Chapter has been to stifle debate, as we have seen > with how the Village Pump on the chapter wiki being reduced to > announcements by employees and "positive statements" rather than open > discussion of issues and problems. If this has started to extend to > censorship of this list for vague perceptions of "tone" by Chapter > employees, then I'm afraid that volunteers will end up writing > anonymously on Wikipediocracy if they want to change anything or be > heard. > > This list has always been presented as not managed by the Chapter. If > the Chapter is now effectively controlling it, then I think it loses > much of its value as a community sounding board. > > Fae > > On 13 April 2014 14:34, HJ Mitchell <hjmitchell(a)ymail.com> wrote: > > Fae, > > > > I've seen worse emails to this list, but I can see Richard's point, > > which is > > that you could have written something to the effect of "Jon, would you > > mind > > including all the relevant information in your emails to the list", for > > example, which has the same meaning but does not come across as > > unnecessarily hostile. He wasn't asking you not to criticise, or not to > > point out Jon's omission (if he was, I'd be jumping to your aid instead > > of > > Richard's), just to tone it down one notch for the benefit of everyone > > else > > subscribed to this list. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Harry Mitchell > > http://enwp.org/User:HJ > > Phone: 024 7698 0977 > > Skype: harry_j_mitchell > > On Sunday, 13 April 2014, 10:04, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > No, I don't get it. > > > > Can someone please highlight exactly how this statement is unacceptably > > rude? > > "If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you > > include the relevant content." > > > > Fae > > > > On 13 April 2014 08:36, Richard Symonds > > <richard.symonds(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: > >> Hello all, > >> > >> I feel that as a list moderator I should step in and say that, for a > >> second > >> there, the tone of this list dropped needlessly. Fae, your email came > >> across > >> as rude: whether you meant it or not, that's how it came across. > >> > >> The main reason that this mailing list isn't much used by the general > >> editing population is in my experience because the tone is hostile. > >> That > >> has > >> to change if this list is to stay relevant and at the heart of the > >> chapter > >> and the UK movement. I accept that sometimes in real life hostility > >> might > >> be > >> necessary in order to accomplish a goal, but I don't think that such a > >> rule > >> holds true on an internet mailing list. > >> > >> A reminder to us all (myself included) to put an extra bit of effort > >> into > >> being polite on the Internet. I don't want to stifle debate, and > >> there's > >> no > >> problem with bad language if it's used to emphasise a point, but we can > >> at > >> least keep a friendly face on most emails. > >> > >> Complaints or comments should be addressed to the list moderators at > >> wikimediauk-l-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia UK mailing list > >> wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org > >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > >> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > > > > > > > > -- > > faewik(a)gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia UK mailing list > > wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org > > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

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I find this incredibly odd. It seems reasonable to connect this sudden assumption of bad faith, to my recent posts to Wikimedia-l which raised the issue

With regard to cooling it, I suppose it is hard to stop my experience and long term frustration in being unable to follow through or have a frank discussion on essential changes the charity needed and still needs from leaking out in my emails.

On 13 Apr 2014, at 19:32, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote: I'm sorry, but that's rubbish. Of course it can be used by non-members to discuss the charity. What sort of validity are you referring to? Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

Just wondering if there are any more comments on the Armenian Video Wikipedia in Ayb High School On 14 April 2014 22:34, Deskana <djgwiki(a)gmail.com> wrote: Indeed. It doesn't make sense to limit suggestions or offers of help to

Dan On 14 April 2014 14:13, Michael Peel <michael.peel(a)manchester.ac.uk>

On 13 Apr 2014, at 19:32, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote: -- Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and

From Lilet in Armenia - can anyone help her?

It would be super if the video were released on a free license, presumably WMAM intended this to be their default but Youtube does not make this easy. Someone may want to contact the Armenian chapter and help them to transcode it and upload it to Commons. Users Vacio or Beko may wish to assist. Photographs related to the making of the video have been released at < https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Armenia_in_Ayb_High_S… Fae On 15 April 2014 09:14, Toni Sant &lt;toni.sant(a)wikimedia.org.uk&gt; wrote: be video prepared in > this way. > On a more minor point, I think showing a student holding an iPad is also a Wikipedia on > an iPad from my experience, but perhaps that's just a very personal > perspective. It may also have to do with personal levels of digital > literacy. > Anyway, thanks for sharing this video. > Cheers, > Toni > On Tuesday, 15 April 2014, Jon Davies &lt;jon.davies(a)wikimedia.org.uk&gt; wrote: >> Just wondering if there are any more comments on the Armenian Video >> >> Wikipedia in Ayb High School >> >> >> >> >> On 14 April 2014 22:34, Deskana &lt;djgwiki(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> >> Indeed. It doesn't make sense to limit suggestions or offers of help to >> only being from members. Anyone is welcome if they have something >> constructive to say, member or not. >> Dan >> >> On 14 April 2014 14:13, Michael Peel &lt;michael.peel(a)manchester.ac.uk&gt; >> wrote: >> >> On 13 Apr 2014, at 19:32, Gordon Joly &lt;gordon.joly(a)pobox.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> On 13/04/14 16:16, Fæ wrote: >>>> With regard to cooling it, I suppose it is hard to stop my experience >>>> and long term frustration in being unable to follow through or have a >>>> frank discussion on >> >> -- >> Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 >> tweet @jonatreesdavies >> >> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and > -- > --- > Dr Toni Sant - Education Organiser, Wikimedia UK > toni.sant(a)wikimedia.org.uk +44 (0)7885 980 536 > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. > United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who > operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). > Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over > Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- faewik(a)gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

The video is now uploaded to Commons at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_in_Ayb_High_School.ogv Fae -- faewik(a)gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

Lovely. On 15 April 2014 13:27, Richard Symonds &lt;richard.symonds(a)wikimedia.org.uk&gt;wrote;wrote: -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

On 15 April 2014 13:39, rexx &lt;rexx(a)blueyonder.co.uk&gt; wrote: ... Rexx, I may be wrong (I did not follow the development of this feature in any detail), but your webm version is probably the same as the webm version included in the different transcoded files that Commons generates. Check the bottom section, "Transcode status", of the image page at < https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_in_Ayb_High_School.ogv>gt;. It gives several handy different types of file that can be downloaded. Fae -- faewik(a)gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk