Hi James,

Thanks for chipping in as a moderator. I look forward to the
moderators being just as critical with other contributors on this list
when they are perceived to be snarky or bitchy, I am sure you wish to
treat all contributors here equally.

As Harry mentions, there have been many posts far worse than mine on
this list, yet moderators have not felt the need to step in before.

Fae

On 13 April 2014 15:54, James Farrar <james.farrar@gmail.com> wrote:
> No, Fae, I don't think that is obvious at all. It came across as snarky and
> bitchy and Richard was well within his rights to call you on it.
>
> On 13 Apr 2014 15:52, "Fæ" <faewik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sure Harry, however I think it obvious that my email was not intended
>> to be rude. Considering how rarely we see moderators of this list
>> officially using their authority to criticise users, in fact I do not
>> recall this happening in 2013 or 2014 until now, I find this
>> incredibly odd. It seems reasonable to connect this sudden assumption
>> of bad faith, to my recent posts to Wikimedia-l which raised the issue
>> of the UK Chapter sending more people to the Wikimedia Conference this
>> weekend than any other Chapter, including the hosts, with the
>> inevitable response of being called a troll by one of the current
>> trustees.
>>
>> The trend for the Chapter has been to stifle debate, as we have seen
>> with how the Village Pump on the chapter wiki being reduced to
>> announcements by employees and "positive statements" rather than open
>> discussion of issues and problems. If this has started to extend to
>> censorship of this list for vague perceptions of "tone" by Chapter
>> employees, then I'm afraid that volunteers will end up writing
>> anonymously on Wikipediocracy if they want to change anything or be
>> heard.
>>
>> This list has always been presented as not managed by the Chapter. If
>> the Chapter is now effectively controlling it, then I think it loses
>> much of its value as a community sounding board.
>>
>> Fae
>>
>> On 13 April 2014 14:34, HJ Mitchell <hjmitchell@ymail.com> wrote:
>> > Fae,
>> >
>> > I've seen worse emails to this list, but I can see Richard's point,
>> > which is
>> > that you could have written something to the effect of "Jon, would you
>> > mind
>> > including all the relevant information in your emails to the list", for
>> > example, which has the same meaning but does not come across as
>> > unnecessarily hostile. He wasn't asking you not to criticise, or not to
>> > point out Jon's omission (if he was, I'd be jumping to your aid instead
>> > of
>> > Richard's), just to tone it down one notch for the benefit of everyone
>> > else
>> > subscribed to this list.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Harry Mitchell
>> > http://enwp.org/User:HJ
>> > Phone: 024 7698 0977
>> > Skype: harry_j_mitchell
>> > On Sunday, 13 April 2014, 10:04, Fæ <faewik@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > No, I don't get it.
>> >
>> > Can someone please highlight exactly how this statement is unacceptably
>> > rude?
>> > "If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you
>> > include the relevant content."
>> >
>> > Fae
>> >
>> > On 13 April 2014 08:36, Richard Symonds
>> > <richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
>> >> Hello all,
>> >>
>> >> I feel that as a list moderator I should step in and say that, for a
>> >> second
>> >> there, the tone of this list dropped needlessly. Fae, your email came
>> >> across
>> >> as rude: whether you meant it or not, that's how it came across.
>> >>
>> >> The main reason that this mailing list isn't much used by the general
>> >> editing population is in my experience because the tone is hostile.
>> >> That
>> >> has
>> >> to change if this list is to stay relevant and at the heart of the
>> >> chapter
>> >> and the UK movement. I accept that sometimes in real life hostility
>> >> might
>> >> be
>> >> necessary in order to accomplish a goal, but I don't think that such a
>> >> rule
>> >> holds true on an internet mailing list.
>> >>
>> >> A reminder to us all (myself included) to put an extra bit of effort
>> >> into
>> >> being polite on the Internet. I don't want to stifle debate, and
>> >> there's
>> >> no
>> >> problem with bad language if it's used to emphasise a point, but we can
>> >> at
>> >> least keep a friendly face on most emails.
>> >>
>> >> Complaints or comments should be addressed to the list moderators at
>> >> wikimediauk-l-owner@lists.wikimedia.org
>> >>
>> >>
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