Egy régi téma (korhatáros tartalom és a WP korhatártalansága) folytatása az alapítványi levlistáról, Brion Vibber (a huwp tiszteletbeli adminisztrátora ;) szerintem jól megmondja. B. -----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Brion Vibber Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:30 PM To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not the Karma Sutra, was Re: commons and freely licensed sexual imagery El 5/14/09 7:31 PM, Thomas Dalton escribió: wrote: anything left. IMHO any restriction that's not present in the default view isn't likely to accomplish much. The answer an objecting parent wants to "my daughter saw a lady with semen on her neck on your website" is *not* "you should have told her to log in and check 'no sexual imagery' in her profile"! Slippery-slope arguments aside, it seems unfortunate that as creators of "educational resources" we don't actually have anything that's being created with a children's audience in mind -- Wikipedia is primarily being created *by adults for adults*. That's fine for us grown-ups but we're missing an important part of the educational "market". Like it or not, part of creating educational material for children is cultural sensitivity: you need to make something that won't freak out their parents. The challenge here isn't technical, but political/cultural; choosing how to mark things and what to mark for a default view is quite simply _difficult_ as there's such a huge variance in what people may find objectionable. Sites like Flickr and Google image search keep this to a single toggle; the default view is a "safe" search which excludes items which have been marked as "adult" in nature, while making it easy to opt out of the restricted search and get at everything if you want it. Generally sexual imagery is the prime target since it's the biggest hot-button "save the children" issue for most people -- many parents wouldn't be happy to have their kid read "list of sexual positions" but would rather they read the text than see the pictures, even if they're drawings. Ultimately it may be most effective to implement something like this (basically an expansion of the "bad image list" implemented long ago for requiring a click-through on certain images which were being frequently misused in vandalism) in combination with a push to create distinct resources which really *are* targeted at kids -- an area in which multiple versions targeted to different cultural groups are more likely to be accepted than the "one true neutral article" model of Wikipedia. -- brion _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l __________ ESET Smart Security - Vírusdefiníciós adatbázis: 4075 (20090514) __________ Az üzenetet az ESET Smart Security ellenorizte. http://www.eset.hu