[WikiEN-l] SPEEDYING images Re: Jimbo's rule, copyright, old images with permission only

Wed Jun 28 22:51:39 UTC 2006

On 6/28/06, Pedro Sanchez <pdsanchez at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 6/22/06, Sherool <jamydlan at online.no> wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:46:12 +0200, Pedro Sanchez <pdsanchez at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Revisiting
> > > http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2005-May/023760.html
> > > and checking the long long long list of images at [[Category:Images
> > > used with permission]] there are many of them kept becuase they were
> > > uploaded before such date.
> > >
> > > It's been more than a year since the ruling, I believe older images
> > > weren't removed in order to let uploaders tag them properly, find
> > > replacements, or so they could be processed at the old Vfd.
> > >
> > > Quoting Jimbo
> > >
> > > "It is very unfortunate that such images are still being uploaded _new_
> > > when we have not be happy about them for a long time.  It is not fair to
> > > contributors who are working on such things, since we have no intention
> > > to keep them in the long run."
> > >
> > > Well, if in the long run they have to go, it could start now. So, I
> > > was wondering why aren't they being processed yet.  I'm thinking of
> > > nominating batches of them at IFD every certain time. On the other
> > > hand, however [[WP:IFD]] is clogged, so I was a bit hesitant about
> > > doing so without more feedback.
> > >
> > > Thus I created [[User:Drini/OldCopyrightedImgs]] which has a small
> > > sample for the first bacth and shows how I would be nominating them. I
> > > tried to sample different kind of images (uploaded by the webmaster's
> > > site, by random users, by respected old users, without source,
> > > orphaned images, etc) so we can get an idea what we're dealign with.
> > >
> > > Still, IFD is overloaded, so maybe better alternatives can come up?
> > > Maybe a IFD-like for this kind of images?
> > >
> > > Jimbo, what's your current view about such things?
> >
> > I don't see how anyone could object, either they come up with a fair use
> > rationale or secure a permission to release the image under a free license
> > or it gets deleted, simgple as that, as you say there have been plenty of
> > time to fix this. Ok a lot of people don't know that these kind of
> > licenses are no longer allowed, but they will know once they get the IFD
> > notice on theyr talk page, and images can be undeleted now too, so there
> > is rely no excuse to delay this any further, if people are uneable to come
> > up with a compelling reason to keep an image within the IFD wait period
> > they can simply request the images be undeleted though Deletion review at
> > a later time if the copyright holder agree to release it under a free
> > license after all. Nothing like a pending deletion to make people spring
> > into action.
> >
> > Just be sure it's done "by the book", notifying uploaders and adding
> > {{ifdc}} to captions where the image is used and so forth to boost
> > awarenes about why they are beeing deleted. IMHO making as many people as
> > possible understand why this kind of licenses are not acceptable are more
> > important than getting them all hastily deleted, "by permission" and "non
> > commercial" images are still a fairly big problem, people just don't use
> > those tags anymore becase they are not listed (they tend to pick "no
> > rights reserved" instead for some reason). I actualy think {{permission}}
> > and {{noncommercial}} should be added to MediaWiki:Licenses (at least
> > after all the old ones have been cleared out), that way we can easily
> > track them down and delete them rather than digging them out of some other
> > random license tag the uploader choose because he didn't find a good fit
> > (same deal as "don't know" and "some website"). But I digress.
> >
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> Well, my point is, why aren't these being speedied like the new ones?
> If giving time for finding replacements was the issue, plenty of time
> has been given, (yet precisely since they were kept, noone is
> bothering to find free replacements). Jimbo says those won't stay
> forever, but unless they start being gone, noone will get the free
> stuff.
>
> So, is anyone willing to support speedying these images?
> ** at least in the case of the ORPHANED noncommercial/withpermission
> before the date** ?
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How about a "proposed deletion" like system (as in {{prod}}) ?
--User:Drini