[WikiEN-l] I really do wish I could talk to Jtdirl

Wed Aug 6 01:42:42 UTC 2003

At 06:08 PM 8/5/2003, you wrote:
>On a separate topic:  I am uncomfortable with the way that
>Jtdirl and others slander me as a racist. For example,
>Jtdirl again stated that Zionists are racists. He does this
>knowing that I a Zionist, therefore the clear implication
>is that I am racist bigot whose words should be ignored.
>
>Such angry and false speech about Zionists (which includes
>tens of millions of Jews and Christians) is not appropriate
>here. Would we accept it if people said that Irish
>nationalism is racist? That feminism is FemiNazism? That
>black progressivism is really white-hating communism? I
>doubt that most Wikipedias would stand for this.  But when
>people here make these generalized and incorrect statements
>about Zionists, no one says a word.
>
>You and I don't speak this way about people of other
>groups; I propose that this standard should be true for all
>of us here. I hope that I am not perceived as being
>unreasonable.
>
>
>Robert (RK)

I would imagine that it doesn't help your cause when you falsely attribute 
comments to the improper party. jtdirl didn't say that Zionists were 
racists, PL did. jtdirl mentioned it as an example of why PL should be 
banned. Not that I expect logic and facts to get in the way of your agenda, 
but I figured I at least ought to point out one of the most egregious of 
your mischaracterizations.

Feel free to get all worked up and in a huff about my comments, I'm not 
going to stop you. You have every right to your own private delusions and, 
given the nature of the Wikipedia, even a right to bore those of us on the 
mailing list with your continual claims of how you've been terribly 
victimized.

RK, those of us who read the talk pages and edit summaries know what's 
going on. You don't have us buffaloed. Your treatment of various people is 
regularly agressive, bordering on abusive, and your credibility is 
virtually nil. If you want to engage in serious debate on any of the issues 
I've raised, feel free. If you want to complain about how this is another 
example of how people are treating you unfairly, I'm not interested, and I 
would refer you to creating a ban page to have me removed from Wikipedia.

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Dante Alighieri
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"The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their 
neutrality in times of great moral crisis."
    -Dante Alighieri, 1265-1321