[Wikide-l]use of ESA-images in Wikipedia

Sa Okt 30 16:33:29 UTC 2004

On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:35:18 +0200
Daniel Arnold <arnomane at gmx.de> wrote:

Ich meine auch, wenig Ahnung von Englisch zu haben, und da sonst niemand geantwortet zu haben scheint sind meine Vorschlaege wohl schlecht bis falsch, aber ich werd' sie trotzdem mal aufschreiben.
Aenderungen sind mit _xxx_ markiert, Unsicheres mit <?>

> At first I have a technical quesition to your conditions: How can we
> meet your demand not offer the possibility of downloading the images, > because for using them at Wikipedia they have to be displayed in a
> browser and thatfor downloaded from Wikipedia-servers.

...How can we meet your demand not _to_ offer the possibility of downloading the images, because they have to be displayed in a browser _in order_ to use them at Wikipedia and _therefor_ <?> downloaded from the _servers of Wikipedia_ <?>. ...
(Die Reihenfolge ist auch geaendert)

> Despite that these usage conditions are exactly causing the problem I
> had described in my german mail, because they are contrary to the
> principles of Wikipedia.

Den Satz verstehe ich nicht ganz.
"Trotzdem diese Benutzungsbedingungen genau das Problem hervorrufen, das ich in meiner deutschen Mail beschrieben habe, weil diese den Prinzipien der Wikipedia entgegengesetzt sind"
War das in etwa in diesem Sinne gemeint? Wenn ja, muesste irgendwie die Verbindung zum Hauptsatz hergestellt werden.
Nebenbei: Hier wird German gross geschrieben.

> Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia, meaning that it content has to be
> free according the definitions of the GNU Free Documentation license
> ( http://www.gnu.org/licenses/licenses.html#FDL ). Note: Free doesn't
> mean at no cost, but free in the sense of freedom.

..Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia, _wich means_ that _its_ content has to be free according _to_ the definitions of the GNU Free Documentation license...

> 2) Freedom of usage: Everyone can use the work for every purpose.

Meiner Meinung nach besser: ...Everyone is allowed to... (wie unten geschehen)

> 3) Freedom of modification: Everyone is allowed to modify the work
> according to his/her own needs.
> 4) Freedom of distribution: Everyone is allowed to distribute the work > (original and modified) at the price he/she likes, provided that every > interested person gets a transparent (open data format) machine
> readable copy of the work and that for modifications/derivative work
> the same rights are given to everyone.
> 
> Note: Personal rights (of persons shown in images) and trademark
> rights are untouched by this license.
> 
> Many ESA-images were uploaded by several people at Wikipedia in the
> false assumption, that your conditions are compatible to the GNU-FDL,
> which is clearly not the case.

...by several people at Wikipedia _on_<?> the assumption that your conditions...

> So we have unluckily only two options:

Ich bin mir nicht sicher, ob es "unluckily" gibt...

> a) deleting all ESA images in Wikipedia, although Wikipedias goal
> is education and the Foundation of Wikipedia is a non profit
> organisation, simply because of the far reaching rights we give to
> everyone (and of course we deliberately don't want to restrict them).
> b) the images can be released by ESA at conditions compatible to the
> GNU-FDL.
>
> Of course b) is only a wish not a demand. You are the copyright owner.
> You can do whatever you want with your content.
> 
> If we have to choose a) many peeople using and enhancing Wikipedia

"peeople" so viele? ;-)

> would be very disappointed, because the articles (as the ones I was
> pointing out in my previous mail) would suffer a dramatic loose of
> astethetical and informational quality - and of course there would be
> a loose of balance in the content presented by Wikipedia, since the
> NASA allows the use of it images within the public domain.
> 
> If you didn't already get in contact with this project: Wikipedia is a > large  community driven project (founded by an Open Source enthusiast
> called Jimbo Wales from the US) that has mostly the same and in some
> aspects already lager dimensions as Microsoft Encarta or Encyclopaedia
> Britannica

_The_ Enc. Brit. ?

> and has gained larger media interest in the recent past.

Beispiele?

> Wikipedia has at the moment more than one million articles in all

...W. _contains_ at the moment...

> languages (only German pages already more than 150'000, there also
> exists a large french subproject at http://fr.wikipedia.org ) and
> belongs to the top 500 of visited internet pages according to
> independent analysis.

Quelle?

> Wikipedia is the (already successful) attempt to port the idea of free > software (for example the famous Linux operating system, which is also
> used in many places by ESA) to literature.
> 
> So would it be possible to release the ESA images within the Public
> Domain or the GNU-FDL? ESA would for sure win with this step.
> 
> However your answer is, we will respect your copyright (and act
> according to our principles).

...according to _it_<?>...

Mehr Grund zum Meckern finde ich im Moment nicht... ;-)

Ein paar Fehler (oder liegt das an mir) aber im Grossen und Ganzen finde ich die Mail sehr gelungen.

Gruss, Martin ("Hitchhiker")