May I just add, please, that we many times requested to work out an MOU
with Moleskine, and kept having procrastinations.
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1. Re: Kind request for support for AfroCuration South Africa event
(Rossouw van Rooyen)
2. Invitation to Participate in the Enforcement Draft Guidelines Review
Meeting on Friday!
(Sam Oyeyele)
3. Re: Kind request for support for AfroCuration South Africa event
(Bobby Shabangu)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 10:30:31 +0200
From: Rossouw van Rooyen <rossouwvr(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Re: Kind request for support for AfroCuration
South Africa event
To: wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Cc: Shupai Mchuchu <shupai(a)wikimedia.org.za>za>, Ngonidzashe Chipunza
<chipunza59(a)gmail.com>
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Not that I am under any illusion that my opinion matters, but I strongly
recommend everyone to have absolutely nothing to do with this
leech-organisation.
*Rossouw van RooyenFarm ManagerWildheim <https://www.wildheim.net/>Cell:
081 874 1191Tel: 063 280 650*
On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 10:21, Michael Graaf <graaf.michael(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi all,
what I was saying was that instead of seeing this as an issue of
Afrikaans
being discriminated against, it should be seen as
careless
communication/ignorance on the part of Moleskine. We would all gladly
support them if they announced that their mission was to boost
marginalised
languages (those with small wikis/few
contributors). However,they
expressed
it by saying they want to support indigenous
languages, with an
assumption
that these two categories overlap.
However Afrikaans is an exception, since it isn't marginalised. They
failed
to take that fact into consideration, and hence
they raised false
expectations. Then, adding insult to injury, they tried to explain by
saying Afrikaans is not indigenous, rather than that it's not
marginalised.
So we need to advise them to be more careful.
On a personal note, let me remind board members that we have previously
discussed the issue of "Afrikaaps" being the marginalised side of
Afrikaans. After I shared a radio interview with you, I was mandated to
contact the panelists, which I did, but without them taking up the offer
of
a workshop. More recently UWC has published the
first dictionary of
Afrikaaps, so perhaps someone there might be interested in dialogue.
Regards,
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 8:15 AM Bobby Shabangu <bobbyshabangu(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Dear Shupai,
Kindly remind me what resolution did we take on the issue Deon is
raising.
I remember him raising that he applied for the
Wikimedian in Residence
position and he made a follow up why he was not selected as a candidate
but
> instead he was informed they don't recognize Afrikaans, @Deon correct
me
if
I'm wrong here!
I think I said I was going to write a letter to chastise them for such
kind of harsh response since Rossouw an Afrikaans speaker played a
pivotal
role in this project. And I remember Michael
speaking but my internet
went
> down I don't remember how we finally said we were gonna move forward
with
> this issue? Kindly remind me so that I
respond immediately.
>
> Best,
> Bobby Shabangu
>
> On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 08:00, <deon.steyn(a)ntnis.co.za> wrote:
>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> The very same people that does not recognise Afrikaans as an
indigenous
>
language...
>
> Deon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bobby Shabangu <bobbyshabangu(a)gmail.com>
> Sent: Woensdag 22 September 2021 02:25
> To: Tochi Precious <tochiprecious2(a)gmail.com>om>; WikimediaZA List
> <wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.org>rg>; Shupai Mchuchu <
> shupai(a)wikimedia.org.za>gt;;
> Ngonidzashe Chipunza <chipunza59(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Re: Kind request for support for AfroCuration
> South
> Africa event
>
> Dear Tochi,
>
> Thanks for reaching out, we already know about this project from a
> presentation made by Papa some couple of months back. Shupai our
> administrator will let you know there are more volunteers from the
Chapter
>> and community who would like to take part here.
>>
>> @Shupai Mchuchu <shupai(a)wikimedia.org.za> kindly note these dates
and
>> send
>> me a reminder 2 days before it takes place. Also kindly send this to
our
>> community and board to find out if there
aren't any volunteers who
would
>> want to take part and volunteer with
their time in this project. I'll
>> certainly be there.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Bobby Shabangu
>>
>> On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 16:59, Tochi Precious <
tochiprecious2(a)gmail.com
>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello Bobby, my name is [[User: Tochiprecious]]. I'm one of the
>> > founding members of @wikimediaigbo and also a Wikipedian in
Residence
>> > at Moleskine Foundation working on
the WikiAfrica Education project.
>> >
>> > I pioneered the last AfroCuration on 4th and 5th September in
>> > Mozambique where I worked with the WMF Language Team to get the
>> > Makhuwa language Wikipedia into the incubator. We had over 70
>> > participants and have created over 120 articles since then.
>> >
>> > My next program is in S.A, with Constitution Hill and Harambee on
26th
>> > and 27th of October and I would
like to ask for your assistance as a
>> > User Group to help train new editors to edit your language
Wikipedia,
> >
and also mentor them to become part of your user group and also
> > knowledge contributors in your language on Wiki.
> >
> > Also, I would like to find out the languages that the S.A User Group
> > edits Wiki in.
> >
> > I'll be looking forward to hearing from you soon.
> >
> > Thanks a lot
> > Tochi
> >
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 09:30:46 +0100
From: Sam Oyeyele <soyeyele-ctr(a)wikimedia.org>
Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Invitation to Participate in the Enforcement
Draft Guidelines Review Meeting on Friday!
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Hello everyone,
The UCoC drafting committee recently released the Enforcement Draft
Guidelines (EDG) on meta, which is based on your suggestions on how the
Universal Code of Conduct should be enforced.
We are trying to get feedback on this draft, so the The Movement Strategy
team is facilitating conversations with communities around the movement.
The East African and Southern African EDGR Conversation is scheduled to
happen on Friday, 24th September 2021 at 5:00pm UTC.
Your presence in this meeting is very crucial to the future of the
Wikimedia movement. Please endeavour to have a look at the draft guidelines
before this meeting, and check out the open questions at the bottom, so as
to know the kind of feedback that we are looking to have:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Enforcement_draft…
Here’s the link to the call:
https://meet.google.com/ybv-ftiq-cct
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Kindly,
Sam.
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Facilitator, Movement Strategy & Governance
Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 11:14:43 +0200
From: Bobby Shabangu <bobbyshabangu(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Re: Kind request for support for AfroCuration
South Africa event
To: Rossouw van Rooyen <rossouwvr(a)gmail.com>
Cc: WikimediaZA List <wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.org>rg>, Shupai Mchuchu
<shupai(a)wikimedia.org.za>za>, Ngonidzashe Chipunza <
chipunza59(a)gmail.com>
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Dear Michael,
Thanks for your invaluable response. There's certainly a great need to
reach out to the coloured community for Wikipedia awareness and edit
workshops, there's a dearth of Afrikaaps on Wiki. @Shupai, trust you are
noting UWC.
Dear
Rossouw, your comment is noted, I'll reach out to Moleskin to raise these
concerns.
Best,
Bobby Shabangu
On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 10:30, Rossouw van Rooyen <rossouwvr(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Not that I am under any illusion that my opinion
matters, but I strongly
recommend everyone to have absolutely nothing to do with this
leech-organisation.
*Rossouw van RooyenFarm ManagerWildheim <https://www.wildheim.net/>Cell:
081 874 1191Tel: 063 280 650*
On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 10:21, Michael Graaf <graaf.michael(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> what I was saying was that instead of seeing this as an issue of
Afrikaans
> being discriminated against, it should be
seen as careless
> communication/ignorance on the part of Moleskine. We would all gladly
> support them if they announced that their mission was to boost
> marginalised
> languages (those with small wikis/few contributors). However,they
> expressed
> it by saying they want to support indigenous languages, with an
assumption
that
these two categories overlap.
However Afrikaans is an exception, since it isn't marginalised. They
failed
to take that fact into consideration, and hence they raised false
expectations. Then, adding insult to injury, they tried to explain by
saying Afrikaans is not indigenous, rather than that it's not
marginalised.
So we need to advise them to be more careful.
On a personal note, let me remind board members that we have previously
discussed the issue of "Afrikaaps" being the marginalised side of
Afrikaans. After I shared a radio interview with you, I was mandated to
contact the panelists, which I did, but without them taking up the offer
of
a workshop. More recently UWC has published the first dictionary of
Afrikaaps, so perhaps someone there might be interested in dialogue.
Regards,
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 8:15 AM Bobby Shabangu <bobbyshabangu(a)gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Shupai,
> >
> > Kindly remind me what resolution did we take on the issue Deon is
> raising.
> > I remember him raising that he applied for the Wikimedian in Residence
> > position and he made a follow up why he was not selected as a
candidate
> but
> > instead he was informed they don't recognize Afrikaans, @Deon correct
> me if
> > I'm wrong here!
> >
> > I think I said I was going to write a letter to chastise them for such
> > kind of harsh response since Rossouw an Afrikaans speaker played a
> pivotal
> > role in this project. And I remember Michael speaking but my internet
> went
> > down I don't remember how we finally said we were gonna move forward
> with
> > this issue? Kindly remind me so that I respond immediately.
> >
> > Best,
> > Bobby Shabangu
> >
> > On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 08:00, <deon.steyn(a)ntnis.co.za> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi guys
> >>
> >> The very same people that does not recognise Afrikaans as an
indigenous
> >> language...
> >>
> >> Deon
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Bobby Shabangu <bobbyshabangu(a)gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Woensdag 22 September 2021 02:25
> >> To: Tochi Precious <tochiprecious2(a)gmail.com>om>; WikimediaZA List
> >> <wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.org>rg>; Shupai Mchuchu <
> >> shupai(a)wikimedia.org.za>gt;;
> >> Ngonidzashe Chipunza <chipunza59(a)gmail.com>
> >> Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Re: Kind request for support for AfroCuration
> >> South
> >> Africa event
> >>
> >> Dear Tochi,
> >>
> >> Thanks for reaching out, we already know about this project from a
> >> presentation made by Papa some couple of months back. Shupai our
> >> administrator will let you know there are more volunteers from the
> Chapter
> >> and community who would like to take part here.
> >>
> >> @Shupai Mchuchu <shupai(a)wikimedia.org.za> kindly note these dates
and
> >> send
> >> me a reminder 2 days before it takes place. Also kindly send this to
> our
> >> community and board to find out if there aren't any volunteers who
> would
> >> want to take part and volunteer with their time in this project. I'll
> >> certainly be there.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Bobby Shabangu
> >>
> >> On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 16:59, Tochi Precious <
> tochiprecious2(a)gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hello Bobby, my name is [[User: Tochiprecious]]. I'm one of the
> >> > founding members of @wikimediaigbo and also a Wikipedian in
Residence
> >> > at Moleskine Foundation working
on the WikiAfrica Education
project.
> >> >
> >> > I pioneered the last AfroCuration on 4th and 5th September in
> >> > Mozambique where I worked with the WMF Language Team to get the
> >> > Makhuwa language Wikipedia into the incubator. We had over 70
> >> > participants and have created over 120 articles since then.
> >> >
> >> > My next program is in S.A, with Constitution Hill and Harambee on
> 26th
> >> > and 27th of October and I would like to ask for your assistance as
a
> >> > User Group to help train new
editors to edit your language
Wikipedia,
> >> > and also mentor them to become
part of your user group and also
> >> > knowledge contributors in your language on Wiki.
> >> >
> >> > Also, I would like to find out the languages that the S.A User
Group
> >> > edits Wiki in.
> >> >
> >> > I'll be looking forward to hearing from you soon.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks a lot
> >> > Tochi
> >> >
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>
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