Your memory serves you badly, Michael. MediaWiki imposes no such limit on
templates; The Wikipedia article Israel (
) has 452 reference templates, for
example. MediaWiki does impose a limit on the depth of transclusions and
the number of expensive parser functions, but those restrictions are
unimportant now that we can call a Lua module from within a template to do
the same job with much less stress on the server.
"List of rivers of England" (
) is an example of
how about 1500 geographical entries have been organised, so sheer numbers
don't necessarily present a barrier to creating wiki articles. As querying
Wikidata is not possible at present (and we don't have a date for its
implementation), I wouldn't recommend waiting for that before starting work
on the Grade II buildings.
--
Doug
On 12 October 2013 16:13, Michael Maggs <Michael(a)maggs.name> wrote:
Yes, we have all the grade II data for England and the
corresponding data
for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, too. However, getting that
information onto Wikipedia in a usable format is not trivial are there are
getting on for half a million building records.
Automated linkages between Wikipedia and the Monuments Database rely on
each record being represented by a template in Wikipedia, and unfortunately
MediaWiki limits the number of templates to no more than 130 or so (if my
memory serves) per page. That means breaking the records up into such
small lists that navigation becomes a nightmare. Even for the grade II*
buildings we have some areas that have been split into separate pages of
buildings based on name A-M and name N-Z. Such lists are totally hopeless
for users who need to find a particular building and know neither the name
it happens to have been give in the official listing nor even in which
listing area it appears (these are based largely on obsolete county and
other regional boundaries).
So, yes, it would be good to get these on, but some new approaches will be
needed. Wikidata may well be able to help in the future (eg by providing a
searchable Wiki database which is automatically linked with the various
sources of official data).
Michael
On 12 Oct 2013, at 15:40, Maarten Dammers wrote:
Hi Rod,
Op 11-10-2013 13:05, rodward schreef:
> Andy,
>
> Getting the photos CC licenced would be good, however most
counties/areas
don't have lists of GII buildings (certainly not using the
template developed for WLM - although many may be too long for current
template restrictions). Perhaps any communication with EH could include a
request for the data & then the same semi automated development processes
applied to creating the lists (would make it much easier if GII are
included next year).
I believe we have the data, just haven't
imported it yet to Wikipedia
because grade2 buildings weren't included in Wiki
Loves Monuments this
year. Now that Wiki Loves Monuments is over we could start importing the
remaining lists to Wikipedia. If lists get to big you just have to split
them up. This is how we did it in the Netherlands too. For example the city
I'm from (Haarlem) has over 1100 Rijksmonumenten. In the centre of the city
this is so dense that I ended up with several lists per street. All these
individual lists are for Haarlem are connected through a navigation
template so you don't get lost.
Maarten
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