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Stevie Benton

8 Apr 2014 8 Apr '14

3:35 p.m.

Hello everyone, I'm very happy to report that there is now a Trademark Agreement in place between Wikimedia UK and Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. Thank you to the Trademarks team at the WMF for their work in making this happen. Thanks also to Jon Davies and Michael Maggs for their input, and to Mike Peel for highlighting the need. You can see the agreement at https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/File:WMUK_and_WMF_trademark_agreement.pdf If you have any questions about this please do let me know. Thanks and regards, Stevie -- Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*

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Andy Mabbett

8 Apr 8 Apr

4:40 p.m.

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What implications does this have for QRpedia? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk On Apr 8, 2014 4:35 PM, "Stevie Benton" <stevie.benton(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

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Hello everyone, I'm very happy to report that there is now a Trademark Agreement in place between Wikimedia UK and Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. Thank you to the Trademarks team at the WMF for their work in making this happen. Thanks also to Jon Davies and Michael Maggs for their input, and to Mike Peel for highlighting the need. You can see the agreement at https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/File:WMUK_and_WMF_trademark_agreement.pdf If you have any questions about this please do let me know. Thanks and regards, Stevie -- Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK+44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

Harry Burt

4:42 p.m.

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Is there a digital version available? The scan quality is... not ideal. Harry On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Andy Mabbett <pigsotwing(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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What implications does this have for QRpedia? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk On Apr 8, 2014 4:35 PM, "Stevie Benton" <stevie.benton(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

Hello everyone, I'm very happy to report that there is now a Trademark Agreement in place between Wikimedia UK and Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. Thank you to the Trademarks team at the WMF for their work in making this happen. Thanks also to Jon Davies and Michael Maggs for their input, and to Mike Peel for highlighting the need. You can see the agreement at https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/File:WMUK_and_WMF_trademark_agreement.pdf If you have any questions about this please do let me know. Thanks and regards, Stevie -- Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK+44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

_______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

Jon Davies

4:47 p.m.

New subject: Trademark Agreement between Wikimedia UK and Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.

As to scan not at the moment - will have a look into this. All in all great work by Stevie and thanks go to Mike P for spotting this a while ago. On 8 April 2014 17:42, Harry Burt <harryaburt(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Is there a digital version available? The scan quality is... not ideal. Harry On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Andy Mabbett <pigsotwing(a)gmail.com> wrote:

What implications does this have for QRpedia? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk On Apr 8, 2014 4:35 PM, "Stevie Benton" <stevie.benton(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

Hello everyone, I'm very happy to report that there is now a Trademark Agreement in place between Wikimedia UK and Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. Thank you to the Trademarks team at the WMF for their work in making this happen. Thanks also to Jon Davies and Michael Maggs for their input, and to Mike Peel for highlighting the need. You can see the agreement at https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/File:WMUK_and_WMF_trademark_agreement.pdf If you have any questions about this please do let me know. Thanks and regards, Stevie -- Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK+44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

_______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

-- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk

Jon Davies

4:45 p.m.

New subject: Trademark Agreement between Wikimedia UK and Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.

A completely separate question that we are working on with the Founation and will report as soon as we have something. Jon On 8 April 2014 17:40, Andy Mabbett <pigsotwing(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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What implications does this have for QRpedia? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk On Apr 8, 2014 4:35 PM, "Stevie Benton" <stevie.benton(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

Hello everyone, I'm very happy to report that there is now a Trademark Agreement in place between Wikimedia UK and Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. Thank you to the Trademarks team at the WMF for their work in making this happen. Thanks also to Jon Davies and Michael Maggs for their input, and to Mike Peel for highlighting the need. You can see the agreement at https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/File:WMUK_and_WMF_trademark_agreement.pdf If you have any questions about this please do let me know. Thanks and regards, Stevie -- Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK+44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

_______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

Michael Maggs

6:53 p.m.

That issue is with the WMF lawyers, and I will be discussing with them at the Wikimedia conference later this week. Michael

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On 8 Apr 2014, at 17:45, Jon Davies <jon.davies(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: A completely separate question that we are working on with the Founation and will report as soon as we have something. Jon

On 8 April 2014 17:40, Andy Mabbett <pigsotwing(a)gmail.com> wrote: What implications does this have for QRpedia? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

On Apr 8, 2014 4:35 PM, "Stevie Benton" <stevie.benton(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: Hello everyone, I'm very happy to report that there is now a Trademark Agreement in place between Wikimedia UK and Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. Thank you to the Trademarks team at the WMF for their work in making this happen. Thanks also to Jon Davies and Michael Maggs for their input, and to Mike Peel for highlighting the need. You can see the agreement at https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/File:WMUK_and_WMF_trademark_agreement.pdf If you have any questions about this please do let me know. Thanks and regards, Stevie -- Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

_______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

-- Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

Deskana

9:10 p.m.

New subject: Trademark Agreement between Wikimedia UK and Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.

For the layman, what are the implications of this trademark agreement? Dan On 8 April 2014 08:35, Stevie Benton <stevie.benton(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

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Hello everyone, I'm very happy to report that there is now a Trademark Agreement in place between Wikimedia UK and Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. Thank you to the Trademarks team at the WMF for their work in making this happen. Thanks also to Jon Davies and Michael Maggs for their input, and to Mike Peel for highlighting the need. You can see the agreement at https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/File:WMUK_and_WMF_trademark_agreement.pdf If you have any questions about this please do let me know. Thanks and regards, Stevie -- Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK+44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

Michael Maggs

9:42 p.m.

Nothing very profound. It simply provides the legal framework via which the WMF allows WMUK to use its trademarks, including the puzzle globe logo. WMUK is allowed to use any of the WMF marks to advance its aims, including on merchandise and publications. In practice, very little changes as that has been happening for several years already on an informal basis. But the parties have at last got round to formalising that use. As mentioned in another thread, this still does not allow WMUK (or anyone else) to use the globe logo in conjunction with QRpedia codes. That is the subject of separate discussions which are ongoing at the moment and which will - I hope - result in the Foundation allowing GLAMs and other QRpedia code users to use the globe logo if and only if they sign a new Quick Licence. The terms such a licence have not yet been finalised by the WMF. Michael On 8 Apr 2014, at 22:10, Deskana <djgwiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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For the layman, what are the implications of this trademark agreement? Dan On 8 April 2014 08:35, Stevie Benton <stevie.benton(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: Hello everyone, I'm very happy to report that there is now a Trademark Agreement in place between Wikimedia UK and Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. Thank you to the Trademarks team at the WMF for their work in making this happen. Thanks also to Jon Davies and Michael Maggs for their input, and to Mike Peel for highlighting the need. You can see the agreement at https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/File:WMUK_and_WMF_trademark_agreement.pdf If you have any questions about this please do let me know. Thanks and regards, Stevie -- Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

David Gerard

9:53 p.m.

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On 8 April 2014 22:42, Michael Maggs <Michael(a)maggs.name> wrote:

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Including to *sell* merchandise? - d.

Stevie Benton

10:05 p.m.

New subject: Trademark Agreement between Wikimedia UK and Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.

I don't think *selling* merchandise is included but I would need to check. I'm pretty sure that the selling of merchandise is not on our radar either way. On 8 April 2014 22:53, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 8 April 2014 22:42, Michael Maggs <Michael(a)maggs.name> wrote:

Nothing very profound. It simply provides the legal framework via which

the

WMF allows WMUK to use its trademarks, including the puzzle globe logo. WMUK is allowed to use any of the WMF marks to advance its aims,

including

on merchandise and publications.

Including to *sell* merchandise? - d. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

-- Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*

rexx

10:58 p.m.

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You can use the WMF marks to sell merchandise only under the constraints of section 4.6 of the trademark policy: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy Incidentally I applied for a licence a couple of weeks ago for an event that we're organising with Barclays, assuming it fell under "Events and conferences" (section 4.3). I was very pleasantly surprised to get an almost immediate response that it was allowed under "Outreach and recruiting new contributors" (section 3.3) without a licence, but obviously subject to the Visual identity guidelines at: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Visual_identity_guidelines Praise where it's due, the WMF have made a real effort to accommodate genuine use of its marks. In case of doubt, just ask - they are on the ball and are trying to help. Cheers -- Rexx On 8 April 2014 23:05, Stevie Benton <stevie.benton(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

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On 8 April 2014 22:42, Michael Maggs <Michael(a)maggs.name> wrote:

Nothing very profound. It simply provides the legal framework via which

the

WMF allows WMUK to use its trademarks, including the puzzle globe logo. WMUK is allowed to use any of the WMF marks to advance its aims,

including

on merchandise and publications.

Gordon Joly

9 Apr 9 Apr

8:12 a.m.

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On 08/04/14 22:53, David Gerard wrote:

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Including to *sell* merchandise?

Yup. Probably best to start up a wholly owned subsidiary company of Wikimedia UK would be best, IMHO, if there was a substantial amount of trading. There is already one wholly owned subsidiary company of Wikimedia UK of course.... Gordo

David Gerard

8:21 a.m.

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On 9 April 2014 09:12, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote:

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On 08/04/14 22:53, David Gerard wrote:

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> Including to *sell* merchandise?

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Yup. Probably best to start up a wholly owned subsidiary company of Wikimedia UK would be best, IMHO, if there was a substantial amount of trading.

Local merchandise could be a small but definite earner. Even if it wasn't, it would make friends - there's certainly demand for Wikipedia swag without shipping from the US, which is swingeing. - d.

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