Hi Mike,
You are going to find it difficult to find people who want to give
their time to your project, as the cost benefit ratio is very low. If
people had more time, they would be spending it rescuing the articles
before deletion (on a non-profit wesbsite), rather than preparing them
for rescuing after deletion (on a for-profit website).
By reposting the content somewhere else, you are taking responsibility
for it. And by hosting it, Wikia is also taking responsibility for
it.
And that responsibility requires you to work with the existing system,
warts and all. Even good changes to the system will take a long time
to become standard practise.
Before trying to change New Page Patrol, you should try doing New Page
Patrol for a few days.
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Mike Dupont
<jamesmikedupont(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
John, and others.
I have finally figured out a big problem with my plan. The articles for
deletion are not tagged peoperly at all. There are authors who know for a
fact that articles are mistagged and have no proper copyvio tagging, and
now they are accusing me of hosting copyvio articles. I see this a problem
in the wikipedia deletion system, if an editor knows for a fact that an
articles is in violation of copyright then they should tag it as Such. I
have written scripts to strip out artilces that are properly tagged. Lets
sit down and work out a plan for a proper system of sorting out what is not
notable, and waht is copyrightvio. I want to host the non notable artilces.
My argument is that giving non-notable bands and actors etc an outlet to be
hosted will reduce repeated reposting of articles. I have been sorting
through all these articles, contacting people and many of them are
thankful, I would be suprized if any of them would repost the deleted
article, like the Jack Psyco from .au, someone reposted his article many
many times.
Please support me in cleaning up the deletion and tagging process, I am
willing to put some work into this. I can write code as well.
Some people have asked me not to use the mailing list, but I wanted to
bring up this up in response to your mail.
Please see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mdupont/SpeedyDeletionWikia
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mdupont#Speedy_backup_-_copyvios_and…
thanks
mike
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:00 AM, John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I think we need to ensure that BLP deletions are
tagged appropriately.
and this wikia needs to err on the side of caution in order to avoid
causing subjects further grief in their pursuit to remove problematic
content from Wikipedia. i.e. if someone jumps through all the hoops
to *help* us remove problematic content from Wikipedia, they are not
going to be happy to learn that the same content has appeared on Wikia
- its confusing, and they will blame Wikipedia, and IMO they are right
to do so as this Wikia is run by people in the Wikimedia community,
and due to the overlap in the WMF board and Wikia board, now and
historically.
e.g. this AFD mentioned "WP:BLP1E" and was categorised into "AfD
debates (Biographical)"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alexander_Kin…
http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Alexander_Kinyua
Until we are confident that BLP problems are not being imported into
the wikia, the content shouldnt be indexed. I assume __NOINDEX__
works on Wikia?
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Newyorkbrad <newyorkbrad(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Although I can understand the appeal of this
concept, I am concerned
that a deleted-articles wiki or site will perpetuate the publicity
given to pages that are properly deleted from Wikipedia because they
contain offensive personal attacks, harassment, cyberbullying,
defamation, and BLP violations. These are not always flagged in the
deletion grounds, especially in speedy situations (e.g. if a harassing
or defamatory article does not assert the subject's notability, it
will often be deleted on that ground without its being tagged as an
attack page, etc.). This issue strikes me as extremely serious. How do
you plan to address it?
Newyorkbrad
On 6/10/12, Mike Dupont <jamesmikedupont(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I have launched
speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30
minutes
> with the proposed deletions and speedy
deletion articles (not notable
and
> hoaxes, not others).
> it is running on the
en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script are
all
> on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot
and the wikiteam
codebases.
hope you
enjoy it,
thanks,
mike
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