Thank you, David; this clarifies a lot. I just wish you had managed to send this some 50
messages ago. :|
MarianoC.-
--- El mié 31-mar-10, David Castor <e-post(a)pastorcastor.se> escribió:
De: David Castor <e-post(a)pastorcastor.se>
Asunto: [Foundation-l] Status report on logo copyright issues at Swedish Wikipedia
Para: foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Fecha: miércoles, 31 de marzo de 2010, 13:40
My name is David Castor and I am
known on Swedish Wikipedia (and less known
but somewhat active on Commons and a few foreign language
Wikipedias) by the
user name dcastor. I am one of the users who have been
pushing for a change
in the way we handle the copyrighted WMF logos. I would
like to clarify and
announce a few things on the way the dilemma is presently
being handled.
First off, we have not yet made any final decisions; the
topic is still open
for discussion at the Swedish village pump. No changes have
yet been widely
implemented.
As a background it is important to know that there is an
almost unchallenged
consensus on Swedish Wikipedia not to allow fair use
imagery, in part
because the "fair use" concept is not applicable in Swedish
law, Sweden
being of course home soil for a majority of the users. It's
been years since
we blocked local media upload, now depending solely on
Commons. This means,
as far as I am aware, that the WMF logos are the only
pictures used on
Swedish Wikipedia that are not being spread under a "free"
license, free in
this case concerning copyright of course, and not trademark
or personality
rights (making comparisons to proper names irrelevant to
the discussion).
The use of these logos are thus the only thing standing in
the way of
stating that all material from Swedish Wikipedia can be
freely reused,
without any further permission. (The license template on
the WMF logos
reserve all rights and call for specific permission for
use.)
The argument is not, and has never been, whether or not we
are allowed to
use the logos. Some users on Swedish Wikipedia as well as
in this thread
have given replies suggesting that they think that is what
the issue is
about. It is not. The issue is whether it is compliable
with the principles
of Wikipedia to include copyrighted material, which may not
be re-used by
others. I suppose that this dilemma is less problematic in
jurisdictions
that implement a "fair use" system, but where such are not
present a
copyrighted picture may not be freely redistributed.
The current discussion on Swedish Wikipedia is divided into
three main
branches:
1. Should we keep even the
Wikipedia logo in the top left corner?
2. Should we keep the WMF
logos of navigation templates placed in
articles?
3. Should we illustrate
articles on the Wikimedia projects with the
logos?
The discussions have, as far as I can tell, led to a near
consensus "yes"
for question 1, with the rationale that the picture is part
of the GUI
rather than of the article, and a near consensus "no" for
number "3". Most
of a lengthy debate has been over discussion number 2.
The opinions on how to relate to number two diverge
greatly. Some of us,
including myself, would prefer to have all WMF logos
removed from article
space, including template use, making it free to
redistribute printouts and
PDF:s from Wikipedia articles. Some argue that since WMF
will not pursuit
any copyright breaches, we don't need to bother. This
viewpoint is supported
by those who think that the usability of the logos is too
important to let
the copyright issues take effect. A few have, in support of
status quo,
stated that there may be more to it, legally, than we know,
but such claims
have yet to be supported.
For some users a main perspective is that of NPOV. They
argue that since no
other external links are supported by pictures, neither
should the links to
sister projects be. Also, since no other copyrighted logo
are allowed,
neither should WMF:s logos be. To some of these users, the
use of the logos
in well framed templates is agreeable, since this implies
that the links are
part of the GUI rather than of the article itself.
Right now it seems like one of two suggestions will be the
result of the
discussions. Either (1.) to allow the WMF logos in a few
specific navigation
templates. These may be javascript-controlled to exclude
the logos from
printouts and PDF:s. This has been tested and seems to
work. The second (2.)
solution discussed is to implement a separate section for
sister project
links, including logos, in the GUI menu section on the
left.
I hope that I, despite having made rather clear stands on
the issue, have
managed to convey a fair description of the discussion.
/David Castor
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