There is certainly no plan to use this to block entire countries. The issue,
as others have stated, is where we have a persistent and patient vandal.
Willy on Wheels is the ideal example of this; I'd swear he writes down when
blocks expire and just starts vandalising again when they do so.
I assure you that the people involved from the CheckUser group do not
lightly ask for this tool. The IP that provoked this was UK-based, and I for
one would welcome input on exceptions for Mid-East and Asian countries where
a limited number of proxies are the population's gateway to the Internet.
The vandals abusing such proxies are generally not among such ISP's
subscriber base and - with help from someone on language - we can try and
persuade the ISP in question to firewall the proxy appropriately or enable
xff.
In any case I personally wouldn't have access to such a tool. I would have
to justify application of a global block to a steward and have evidence from
other checkusers that the IP was problematic on several wikis. Before anyone
gets to that stage the IP will have been investigated. If it is a proxy for
an entire country - as I say above - then a different approach may be
required, and a far shorter block would be applied.
Brian McNeil
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The problem is, these people abuse open proxies in countries where many
providers have, for whatever reason, choosen to have a policy of open
proxies. Which means you will block most of a country with this policy
of yours even on their homewiki. That is not really what you want is it?
Waerth
I'm on Checkuser-l and I'm not going to reveal
which IP provoked this
discussion. However the block was generally agreed at one year in this
case.
Yes, it is our old friend Willy on Wheels.
In cases like this where you are restricted to short blocks you are just
making more work. When you've permanently blocked a dozen vandal accounts
registered through an IP over a period of months you want the option to
block the IP for a long term.
Brian McNeil
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[mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of effe iets
anders
Sent: 31 January 2008 19:39
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia-wide global blocking mechanism?
or we just agree that it will only be used for IP's (and if I'd have
to say it, only for short terms, so that overriding would not be a big
issue too. ) If we agree on that, I think we should be able to trust
the stewards to adhere to that, and there would be no need to also
make sure it is not technically possible.
BR, Eia
2008/1/31, Alex <mrzmanwiki(a)gmail.com>om>:
The ability for local sysops to override it would
help this a bit, but
ideally, it should be restricted to blocking IPs only until SUL is
implemented.
Dan Rosenthal wrote:
Yeah, it's not perfect, but it seems like it
would be a good tool for
stewards to have. Only thing is, I'm envisioning a scenario where a
valid user with good contribs gets blocked, doesn't user meta, tries
to get unblocked at his home project, but cannot because he's not
locally blocked, and the user doesn't know how to get in touch with a
steward (Because he doesn't know of this policy) or doesn't understand
how to communicate with one.
I don't think it's necessarily that big of a deal, but I think it will
need a LOT of localization to be effective.
-Dan
On Jan 31, 2008, at 7:14 AM, David Gerard wrote:
On 31/01/2008, Yaroslav M. Blanter
<putevod(a)mccme.ru> wrote:
> For the global admin list, I was under understanding that stewards
> are
> actually doing the job.
>
>
Yes, stewards have a lot of the higher administrative powers for small
wikis that don't have much of a community yet. Including checkuser, so
the stewards using checkuser are on checkuser-l and haven't yet
screamed in horror at the notion ;-)
- d.
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