Well, I understand that WMDE is almost unbeatable
on the budget.
But if we can give everyone a great place like Cyberport, great food and great five star
hotel rooms, and also fully support by the sponsorship. Then why we don't try Hong
Kong?
That's why I can't promise anything at the moment, because I did not get anything
confirmed from cyberport. But I also can't give up yet, because it could happen.
Cheers,
Morgan
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On Aug 8, 2010, at 21:30, Siska Doviana <siska.doviana(a)wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
Morgan,
I have to hand it to you for being an optimist.
For those who doesn't get Illario's email:
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ilario Valdelli <valdelli(a)gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Chapters] [Internal-l] Chapters Meeting 2011
To: chapters(a)wikimedia.ch
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Andrew Owens <orderinchaos78(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I may have got that wrong, and Ilario's welcome to correct me. :)
cheers
Andrew (WMAU)
You have understood my position. Thanks for your support.
In my language people says: "A buon intenditore, poche parole" and the
correct translation may be: "a word to the wise".
The concept is very simple. If someone starts a bid stating that a
proposal must be supported by a budget of at least 50,000 Euro and the
presence of a staff, surely it makes no sense to argue, we assign the
chapters meeting to WM DE for the following next three years and there
is no sense to discuss again. I don't think there are other chapters
that have a staff-level of WM DE or an equal large budget.
If the two parameters are built according to these criteria it would
be a "dummy" bid.
I cannot say that WM DE has organized bad meetings or they cannot
assure an high level of organization and I cannot judge WM UK because
I have not been in Bristol, but it's incorrect that the choice of
location is a matter restricted to the "usual" two or three chapters
because the requirements are a "little bit" restrictive for the remaining 95%.
I cannot judge correct for example to cut out the chapters that have
chosen to be without a staff if these chapters can organize a
voluntary service. In the same way I cannot judge the limit of 50,000
Euros as a big condition if some chapters can organize a similar
service with 20,000 euros and find alternative solutions related to a
less expensive town.
A bid organized in this way does not highlight the real weaknesses
related to the location of Berlin, for example, because we don't have
any other option.
For this reason I would appreciate a bid based by location, for
example, and not one based by chapter because some chapters can
propose a cheaper town, well connected with flights (also from
Australia) and find support (also economical) from other chapters or
from some sponsors and there is no sense to deny any opportunity only
for a limited budget or for a staff not present yet.
Any bid has a meaning only if it is organized around flexible
requirements and "really" open to the chapters.
It does not seem correct to me to preclude them the opportunity to
propose a candidature based on a particular "model of chapter" because
there are chapters that have decided to select another model for their
internal policies (for example, many chapters have agreed that the
members of the association cannot be paid), because they have decided
to focus on different forms of organization or other forms of
investment, or because they have taken different choices based on
cultural issues.
We cannot say that to organize a chapters meeting they must switch to
another "model".
For this reason we cannot say that they are "poor" chapters but that
they are chapters with a different model.
Ilario
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2010/8/8 Morgan Chan <morgand536(a)wikimedia.hk>hk>:
Just tell you guys a little secret.
Actually Kul recommends us to take the bid, and I think he has his reason,
maybe it suits the movement or strategies of Wikimedia, maybe.
For the air tickets, we will to get sponsor from Cathay Pacific, but before
this, we need to confirm we can get the sponsorship from cyberport and we
sure it will hold in Hong Kong.
For Thomas, I think I won't keep it in my mind seriously. If his theory is
correct, then we should stop all the non-euro projects because 67% of
chapters are euro, and WMFoundation should put all the resource in euro, and
they will care about other regions three years later. It doesn't make sense,
right?
Chapters meeting is not a meeting for chapters. It can also boost a lot of
things, locally, regionally, or even globally. Chapters meeting in Asia can
really put the spotlight on Asia, especially we already have an Asian chair
and Wikimania 2011 in Israel.
So air ticket is not everything at all.
Cheers,
Morgan
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On Aug 8, 2010, at 20:46, Josh Lim <jamesjoshualim(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
I'd have to agree with Siska here. Like what Thomas said in chapters-L,
given that most chapters are in Europe, the Foundation saves more by
bringing the less numerous Asians, Australians and Americans (North and
South) to Europe than the other way around.
Josh
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From: Siska Doviana <siska.doviana(a)wikimedia.or.id>
To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination
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Sent: Sun, August 8, 2010 8:25:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Chapters Meeting 2011
Morgan,
As painful as it may sound, the European will let the Asian travel
twice, rather than them going to Hong Kong for chapter's meeting.
I think Illario's email sounded the most reasonable one. Personal
view, I don't think even the UK will win the bid for chapter's
meeting, other European chapter's preferences are leaning toward to
held in again in Germany for the next 3 years, or perhaps 2, then open
for bidding.
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On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Morgan Chan <morgand536(a)wikimedia.hk> wrote:
> I also want to clarify this.
> If we can successfully take the bid of the Chapter Meeting 2011,
> we will combine our Wikimedia Asia Project in one series of conference,
> then for the Asians, they don't need to travel twice.
>
> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Morgan Chan <morgand536(a)wikimedia.hk>
> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all:
>> Just wanna let you know about Hong Kong is planning to take the Chapters
>> Meeting 2011.
>> We already contacted our main possible sponsor Cyberport, to support the
>> venue, catering,
>> accommodation and local transportation (maybe even air tickets). We are
>> still negotiating
>> with them.
>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberport
>> So if there are any update, i will post it here ASAP.
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Morgan Chan
>> ----------------------------------------------------
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>> Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation
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>> Tel.:+852 9012-2178
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>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Morgan Chan
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