From: "Milos Rancic"
<millosh(a)gmail.com>
Reply-To: Wikimedia textbook discussion <textbook-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
To: "Wikimedia textbook discussion" <textbook-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Textbook-l] NPOV and NOR as a local or a global policies
onWikibooks?
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:39:41 +0100
- Wikibooks and/or Wikiversity allow POV and OR for art analysis. This
is the best solution because we will have one community. Also,
realization of the goal "free education" will stay inside of the
projects which aim to work on this goal.
Every field, not just art, contains people who criticise and interpret the
works of others. In economics, for instance, where people make financial
decisions based on interpretation of data and also intent. Engineering, also
teaches students to use arbitrary, personally selected metrics for
optimizing designs. My point is that art is not a special case of this, and
allowing OR and POV for teaching art for these reasons would require an
abandonment of the policies completely. In many instances, OR and POV might
be nice. They should not, however, be permitted on Wikibooks.
- Wikimedia makes another project for such purpose
(something like
"wikiartstudies"). This is something like a "middle solution" because
we will have de jure one community, but de facto two. Realization of
the goal "free education" will be outside of Wikibooks and
Wikiversity, but inside of Wikimedia.
Again, my point above that art is not special, and no one particular
discipline requires it's own special wiki. You can suggest this on meta, i
doubt the proposal will get far.
- The worst solution is to try to find a solution out
of Wikimedia
(i.e. Wikia or anything else) because we will have both de jure and de
facto different communities. Realization of the goal will be outside
of both -- projects and Wikimedia.
So then a solution needs to be found in wikimedia. I think you don't
understand the difference between explaining of an opinion (especially a
common opinion), and the statement of that opinion as if it were fact. NPOV
requires only that opinions not be treated as facts, and we can discuss art
criticisms from an purely NPOV, academic background.
--Andrew Whitworth (Whiteknight)
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