In my opinion Samuel has answered the questions adequately. And even though
the number of small edits could hopefully be reduced, I still think the
overall efforts and results achieved already speak for themselves. Can we
move forward with this?
man. 6. mar. 2023 kl. 14:56 skrev Samuel Okepefi <9jasam(a)gmail.com>om>:
MF-Warburg wrote:
Hello. I have some doubts. While the number of
edits in the project is
certainly impressive, this seems to be achieved by a tactic of doing
extremely minor edits in order to create fairly short articles. There
were
four articles that were edited today, you can see
it in all of them:
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wn/guw/Gando_nuhahun_aku%
…
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wn/guw/Nawe_d%C3%A9_domi%
…
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wn/guw/Insurance_h%C3%B2_
…
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wn/guw/Buhari,_Jonathan_p
…
> A first user creates the article in
little slices, then user Samatics
comes
in to fix some formalities. All articles are
rather short and link to a
single English-language article (is it the source?) each.
Incidentally, you can also put all of the articles into Google Translate
and it will recognize them as being in Yoruba and put out an intelligible
English translation. I don't know how worrisome that is, though (but see
<
>
https://books.google.de/books?id=801byTVQSuwC&pg=PA2&lpg=PA2&dq…
> at the bottom of p. 2).
> Am Mi., 15. Feb. 2023 um 15:47 Uhr
schrieb Sotiale Wiki <
> sotiale.wm(a)gmail.com>gt;:
> > I agree to the approval of
guwwikinews.
>
> > I had previously been
concerned about this project's focus on creating
> > Wikimedia projects in a short period of time, but I realized that
this was
> just my pointless concern. Some projects
are often left unattended to
> establish other projects after being approved. However, guw projects
are
> > not, and are usually maintained and contributed continuously.
>
> > The sustainability of the
community and sufficient contributions are
also
> generally satisfactory. And no major
problems are found that would
prevent
> > approval.
>
> > Therefore, I have
absolutely no reason to oppose, and I'm in favor of
> > approval.
>
> > Sotiale
>
> > 2023년 2월 14일 (화) 오후 9:37,
Jon Harald Søby
<jhsoby(a)gmail.xn--com>-4f21ay07k 작성:
>
> > Hi all!
>
> > I would like to suggest
the approval of the Gungbe Wikinews [1]. The
test
> wiki was started in October, and has had a
steady and solid activity
ever
> since [2], with a core group of 8 active
users who have made a
substantial
> > number of edits.
>
> > According to Samatics,
their most active contributor, they average
about
> 7 new articles per day (I haven't
double-checked this number, but
have no
> reason to doubt it). For comparison, the 14
newest articles on the
English
> Wikinews as of right now range from
February 12 to January 8, so
that's one
> article every 2.5 days – meaning the Gungbe
Wikinews is already one
of the
> most currently active Wikinews editions.
They even have an audio
Wikinews
> > subproject [3] with spoken news articles!
>
> > The localization of
MediaWiki into Gungbe is great and ongoing,
currently
> > MediaWiki core is at 70 % [4].
>
> > [1]
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wn/guw
> > [2]
>
> >
https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wn/guw&…
> > [3]
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wn/guw/Linlin-hihia
> > [4]
https://codelookup.toolforge.org/guw
>
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> > Jon Harald Søby
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Hello,
Apologies for posting here. I just found out about this threads and I want
to address MF-Warburg concerns.
As far as I can tell, wikinews articles are mostly news summary from
respected newspapers as sources (at most 2 sources per article). This
policy we have adhered to. Most of the news articles on enwikinews are
stub-like if compared to enwiki articles see examples here:
https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/More_than_100_killed_in_mosque_bombing_in_Paki…
https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Earthquake_strikes_Aksu_Prefecture,_Xinjiang_R…
https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/US_singer_Madonna%27s_elder_brother_Anthony_Ci…
https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Glasshouse_in_to_Tier_1_women%27s_cricket_fina…
When we started this project, we cite two to three sources but decided to
stick to one source since ours is summarising a news article and then
translating it. This is a community decision. You can see examples here.
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wn/guw/Folasade_Ogunsola_l%E1%BA%B9zun…
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wn/guw/Naijilia_na_klan_eyin_Bola_Tinu…
As to posting short edits, I correct the sentences in most cases and that
gives a lot of issues to me. So I encouraged writing text in bits and
making sure the tonal markers are right. This reduces the level of my
corrections on the body of texts. I also come in to add the proper
formatting (once we get approval importing and then using the templates is
usually easy and this will reduce this work) and audio to the news. You can
confirm this trends on guwwiki or guwwiktionary. It's not a tactic as you
concluded. Gungbe is tonal and a word if not marked properly can have
different meanings e.g owhé(house), owhe(year), owhè(sun).
Concerning using Google translate to translate our article and Google
suggesting it as Yoruba. A proper test I think you should have done is
reversing the Google translated text in English back to Yoruba and you will
be amazed to see that no single word or expression will be the same as the
previous text in gungbe. But thanks for this observations, it makes me to
be aware of the possibility of gungbe being added to Google translate
languages soon. My explanation for this is that there are large body of
texts online for Gungbe and Google's algorithm is based on how close a
written text is to an existing language. I found this interesting paper
https://metatext.io/datasets/jw300. And did the same test you did on this:
https://www.jw.org/guw/Wes%E1%BA%B9dot%E1%BA%B9n/linlinwe-l%E1%BA%B9/at%C3%…
https://www.jw.org/guw/nuhe-biblu-pl%E1%BB%8Dn-m%C3%AD/kanbi%E1%BB%8D-l%E1%…
The texts are in gungbe but Google gives an intelligent translation and
detects it as Yoruba. But when done in the reverse. It doesn't match the
previous text. (You can try it too)
I'll suggest when you do such test next time, try to do the reverse and
see if it matches the previous text.
In addition to the above, you can see that most of our sports news article
are longer than most enwikinews articles. You can see here:
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wn/guw/Kane_do_ag%C3%B3_200t%E1%BB%8D_…
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wn/guw/Man_City_h%C3%B2_Chelsea,_nado_…
Or a full list in the sports category:
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wn/guw/Aihundida_lanm%E1%BA%B…
Let me know if further clarifications are needed from me.
Once again, apologies for posting here as I assume it is not open to the
public.
Best
Samatics
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