Hi,
I received a few requests to check the status of Western Balochi incubator
(bgn).
The code bgn is legit, the translation of most-used messages is complete,
and the activity in the incubator is reasonable. A lot of pages are
written; many are just one or two lines long, but I don't think that I mind.
Do we want to verify that it's the right language?
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I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
Hoi,
The practise of dropping upper case in the ISO-15934 is a MediaWiki
practice that is incorrect. In the grand scheme of things it is only a
minor matter.
Mong is the correct code for the Mongolian script. The reason why mn-mong
is not there is that it does not make sense to associate a scriot with a
macro language, mn is in itself NOT a language it includes multiple
languages and it is why it will not get support for a new language for a
new project.
So in conclusion, mn-mong can be understood to mean any Mongolian text
written in the Mongolian script. In the current understanding of languages
it is not precise and it is why it will not be approved for a new WMF
project.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 22 September 2016 at 12:24, thiemowmde <
no-reply(a)phabricator.wikimedia.org> wrote:
> thiemowmde added a comment.
>
> Wow, that's a lot of information. ;-) Thank you very much.
>
> I did a search on our global code base:
>
> - MediaWiki does have support for many …-cyrl and …-latn locales.
> - There is never a country code attached. It's just "ku-latn",
> "kk-cyrl" and so on.
> - Note that everything I found is lower case. I wonder why, because
> the wfBCP47 function MediaWiki core provides does support normalizing
> these codes, and normalizes them all to upper case "ku-Latn", "kk-Cyrl" and
> so on.
> - I could not find a single mention of a code ending in …-mong,
> neither upper nor lower case.
> - I was able to find a mention of mn-mong in an old version of ULS,
> which derives it's data from CLDR. But this code is missing in the current
> version. I wonder why?
>
> So these questions remain:
>
> - How "official" is mn-Mong?
> - Should we support it no matter what? What if we need to drop or
> change it later? Is this worth it?
> - Should we add it in lower case, to be consistent with all the other
> lower case codes we already support?
>
>
> *TASK DETAIL*
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137810
>
> *EMAIL PREFERENCES*
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/
>
> *To: *thiemowmde
> *Cc: *thiemowmde, Liuxinyu970226, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Aklapper,
> Zppix, Popolon, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331
>
Hoi,
mn is the code ISO-639 for the language, Mong is the CLDR code for the
script and CN is a code for the country where it is practices. The correct
LANGUAGE code is either khk or mvf because as a macro language that does
not have an existing project it is not eligible.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 21 September 2016 at 15:44, thiemowmde <
no-reply(a)phabricator.wikimedia.org> wrote:
> thiemowmde moved this task from Doing to Proposed on the
> Wikidata-Sprint-2016-09-21 board.
> thiemowmde added a comment.
>
> I wonder about the upper casing. I can not find much information about
> this "language" code. It appears it is not a language, but Mongolian (mn)
> written in a specific script. I do find information about a "mn-Mong-CN"
> tag. What's the difference? What's the correct tag and in which standard is
> it defined? Which casing is the correct one?
>
> *TASK DETAIL*
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137810
>
> *WORKBOARD*
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/2197/
>
> *EMAIL PREFERENCES*
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/
>
> *To: *thiemowmde
> *Cc: *thiemowmde, Liuxinyu970226, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Aklapper,
> Zppix, Popolon, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331
>
Hi Christophe,
According to the Language Committee Handbook,[1] I am notifying you that
the committee supports the creation of the Livvi-Karelian Wikipedia at the
domain olo.wikipedia.org.
Livvi-Karelian[3] is one of the Karelian languages, spoken in Northern
Russia. The Wikipedia in it has been active in the Incubator for over a
year, and the texts in it were verified by an external expert (see the
forwarded email below).
If there are no objections from the Board, then after four days I will
request the creation of the domain from Wikimedia's operations people.
Thank you!
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee/Handbook_(committee)
[2] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/langcom/2016-September/thread.html
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livvi-Karelian_language
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I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il>
Date: 2016-09-14 13:19 GMT+03:00
Subject: Re: [Langcom] wp/olo expert approval
To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee <langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>
Thanks!
It's been over a week without objections, so according to
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee/Handbook_(committee) , I
am moving to Board approval.
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Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
http://aharoni.wordpress.com
“We're living in pieces,
I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2016-09-05 21:11 GMT+03:00 Oliver Stegen <oliver_stegen(a)sil.org>:
> Looks convincing; I approve.
>
> Oliver
>
> On 05-Sep-16 13:30, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The Wikipeda in the Livvi-Karelian language has been pretty active in the
> incubator. After noticing it, I sent a request to an expert I found: Tatyana
> Pashkova <https://petrsu.ru/persons/486/pashkova>, candidate of sciences
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candidate_of_Sciences> in the Petrozavodsk
> State University
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrozavodsk_State_University>,
> specializing in Karelian languages. This was back in July, and today she
> finally replied and said that the language is indeed Livvi-Karelian (see
> the forwarded email conversation in Russian below).
>
> The activity in the incubator
> <https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/olo&wik…>
> is still pretty good, with at least four contributors making dozens of
> contributions every month for the last year, and the translation of the
> most used messages
> <https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate?filter=%21translated&actio…>
> is complete.
>
> Given all this, I suggest approving it and creating the domain
> olo.wikipedia.org.
>
> --
> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
> “We're living in pieces,
> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Татьяна Пашкова <tvp-1979(a)mail.ru>
> Date: 2016-09-05 13:59 GMT+03:00
> Subject:
> To: amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il
>
> Уважаемый Амир!!!! Все статьи, на которые Вы мне отправили ссылки,
> написаны на ливвиковском наречии карельского языка. Я это подтверждаю. С
> уважением, Пашкова
>
>
>
>
> --
> Татьяна Пашкова
>
>
> 2016-07-24 15:36 GMT+03:00 Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il>:
>
>> Уважаемая Татьяна Владимировна,
>>
>> Меня зовут Амир Аарони. Я обращаюсь к вам от имени языкового комитета
>> Википедии, свободной многоязычной энциклопедии в интернете.
>>
>> Нам была подана просьба открыть новый раздел Википедии на ливвиковском
>> карельском языке. Для этого нам требуется небольшая консультация эксперта
>> по этому языку.
>>
>> Всё, что требуется, это понять, действительно ли написаны статьи в
>> инкубаторе-черновике этой Википедии на это языке.
>>
>> Вот заглавная страница:
>> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/olo/Pi%C3%A4sivu
>>
>> И вот несколько примеров статей:
>> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/olo/Komiettu
>> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/olo/Mustu_loukko
>> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/olo/Kosmoj%C3%A4rvi
>> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/olo/Ala-Kuittijärvi
>> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/olo/Atomu
>> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/olo/Arheolougii
>>
>> Большое спасибо!
>>
>> --
>> Амир Аарони
>>
>>
>>
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