[Wikipedia-l] Moldovan/Romanian

Tue Mar 7 19:07:37 UTC 2006

Mark: have a break have a KitKat...

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2006/3/7, Jacky PB <dpotop1 at yahoo.com>:
>
> Mark,
>
> Whether or not you are fluent in Moldovan is extremely important here,
> because you are the unique contributor. You created mo.wiki, you
> copied (from ro.wiki) most articles, and you, alone, are fighting for it.
> Given that this wiki is by you and for you, it could be justified as a
> hobby. But there are two problems: you do not seem to learn Moldovan
> and you promote old stalinist linguistic policies that hurt people's
> feelings.
> It still is a mystery to me how an American came to profess such
> conservative communist linguistic policies.
>
> And, BTW, you called me a liar earlier, but you somehow failed to mention
> a single Moldovan editor (i.e. one that claims to be Moldovan) that
> supports
> your views.
>
>
>
>
> Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote:> You excel in hiding important
> issues under details. Fact is that Romanian/Moldovan is complex, and that
> you cannot write Moldovan correctly.
>
> Whether or not the language(s) is/are complex is entirely irrelevant
> to the discussion. Also, my abilities (or alleged lack thereof) aren't
> particularly relevant to the discussion.
>
> > Concerning your claim that Moldovans are not Moldovans, it's pure FUD.
> If you want to continue in the same direction, please provide proof of your
> existence, and that you are not a KGB/FSB agent. :)
>
> I never claimed that "Moldovans are not Moldovans". What I did claim
> is that those people who claim on Wikipedia to be Moldovans have not
> substantiated their identity in the least, with the exception of
> Pavel.
>
> > As concerns the "Moldovan" schools of Transnistria, you forgot to tell
> that Moldovans there are forced to go to these schools, and that their
> attempts to open latin-scripted schools were crushed by security forces.
>
> No -- there are schools that teach in Latin. However, they are forced
> to operate as private schools and do not receive support from the
> state.  There are two Latin-script highschools and a total of 8% of
> Transnistrian kids go to Latin-script schools. There are also 14
> Moldavian schools (total), using Cyrillic, and 2 Moldavian-Russian
> bilingual schools.
>
> The Romanian press was happy to report when schools were closed, on
> the front page, but when some were re-opened (as private
> institutions), it was much farther back.
>
> Mark
>
> >
> >
> > Mark Williamson  wrote:  > Sorry for not replying to Mark's emails, but
> I think that discussing
> > > politics and whether Romanian or French has a grammar closer to Latin
> > > is off-topic on this list. :-)
> >
> > That was a sub-topic of an e-mail. When replying to e-mails, you are
> > more than welcome to ignore topics you find irrelevant.
> >
> > > Node, please do not accuse people for sockpuppetry without any
> > > evidence: when Pavel was on #wikipedia, he had an IP address of
> > > a .md ISP and since Freenode does not allow proxies, he really
> > > must be in Moldova.
> >
> > Still, do you have evidence that any of the other so-called
> > "Moldovans" are real people, in Moldova?
> >
> > > Also, we should not confuse this Romanian/Moldovan situation
> > > with other situations where it's the debate whether a dialect/close
> > > language should have a Wikipedia, like Scots/English or Serbian/Croat.
> > >
> > > Nowadays, the dispute that "Moldovan" is different from "Romanian"
> > > is absurd: even Voronin, the Moldovan president said that they're the
> > > same language and just the name is different.
> >
> > That's not really the issue here. What is the issue, is that 36% of
> > Moldovans (excluding residents of Transnistria) claim "Moldovan" as
> > their native language; the official script in Transnistria is
> > Cyrillic, the official language in Transnistria is Moldavian (they
> > still call it that in English officially in Transnistria, I think),
> > and many schoolchildren in Transnistria/PMR/Stinga Nistrului go to
> > "Moldavian schools", where the teaching is in Moldovan Cyrillic, or
> > "Russian/Moldavian bilingual schools", where teaching time is divided
> > between Russian, and Moldovan Cyrillic.
> >
> > Mark
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