[Wikipedia-l] IP stuff

Fri May 23 13:03:54 UTC 2003

> > > Hi all,
> > > I don't think is the wrong place to ask.
> > > I also think that hide IP to logged user led us to
> > many problems we didn't
> > > encounter before the Phase III.
> > > Here is the problems I see :
> > > - Same user who use multiple identity to justify a
> > pov opinion
> > > - Same user who use multiple identity to make
> > multi votes
> > > - Vandale who use user account to hide its ip
> > > As sysop I have no idea to how block a logged user
> > even if he do massive
> > > vandalism (except send a message to this list and
> > pray for one of the gods
> > > can stop him).
> > > I don't see any good reason to hide logged user
> > IP.
> > > It worked fine on Phase I & II, no ?
> >
> > Aside from privacy concerns, it would allow any
> > sysop to ban any other
> > user, which might cause problems. To alleviate these
> > concerns, we could
> >
> > 1) store the IP number the user signed up with in
> > his user data
> > 2) allow sysops to look up the IP number of any user
> > who has signed up
> > less than a month ago.
> >
> > This would make it impossible for sysops to obtain
> > ALL the IP numbers of a
> > user, or to ban long time contributors, but still
> > allow them to ban
> > vandals effectively by IP address.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Erik
>
> I think the type of vandals where it is necessary to
> ban very quickly and with no previous discussion are
> only the very tough ones, posting by bots for example,
> and making it hard for humans to clean the mess. These
> ones don't wait a month before vandalising, more
> likely a couple of minutes. Should this type of
> situation be foreseen, I would put the time limit to
> one day instead of one month.
>
> For any "questionable" vandalism or "questionable"
> edits (such as Daniel editing his page apparently),
> banning is wrong. My Red Dice option of rainclouding
> people and their contributions is better.

About banning people I only mention "massive vandalism".
Banning people was not the main point to ask to be able to see IP like
before.
For me show the IP address of everybody like in Phase I & II is to :
- Be equal to anonymous users (as for privacy as for banning)
- Limit multi vote by same user
- Reduce identity steal
- Break some suspicion that create very bad atmosphere
I suppose you had a good reason to remove this feature in Phase III, but I
don't know it.
What is for ?
I really feel that hide IP was "one" of the reason why the ambiance on the
french wikipedia is deteriorated.
Regards,

Aoineko