[WikiEN-l] Live and Let live? Oh, really?

Fri May 20 06:52:44 UTC 2005

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Robert wrote:
> Ed writes:
> 
>>This whole thing smacks of an "anti-religious agenda",
>>rather than any sincere effort towards neutrality.
>>When we couldn't agree on British vs. American spelling,
>>we chose this solution:...
>>
>>...Ever hear of live and let live? Sheesh!
> 
> 
> I am rather disturbed by the rather paranoid claims filling
> this list that people are anti-Christian, and persectuing
> Christians, and discriminating against Christians, etc. 
> These angry accusations are false, hurtful, and simply
> disingenuous.  I can't believe that anyone seriously
> believes that following NPOV and referring to dates in a
> neutral way is meant as an evil plot against that poor and
> few in number minority, the Christians....
> 

At present, there is *no* neutral way to represent dates. Let's just
call a spade a spade and not try to make something sound like something
it's not.

> It seems to me, rather, that some people are just venting
> anger, as they refuse to let others "live and let live". 
> Frankly, for the majority of people on this planet who do
> not worship Jesus as their God, messiah and saviour, it
> makes no sense to force them to use religious Christian
> terminology.  It is those who ask for a "live and let live
> policy" who are being attacked, not the Christians.
> 

If you feel you are being forced to use Christian terminology, why use
the Christian date system at all? CE is still based (albeit incorrectly)
on the birthdate of one Jesus of Nazareth.

> I already have put up with enough abuse today, as several
> of my fellow faculty and staff came - as well as many
> students - in with T-shirts advertising "Jesus Day" at a
> public school.  It had a motto that said that only through
> Jesus will anyone find God, and that all others are doomed
> to be without God (i.e. damned to Hell.)  Apparently being
> in the vast majority is not enough for some right-wing
> Evangelical Protestant Christians.  They have to push their
> threats of damnation via religious proselytizing in public
> arenas?!  
> 

e-van-gel-i-cal
adj., of the Gospel
noun, one who is committed to the Gospel of Jesus Christ; the only
gospel of salvation; by grace, through faith, under the authority of the
Bible, empowered by the Holy Spirit, to the Glory of God.

You live in the US? You have heard of Freedom of Religion?

> I'm one step away from filing a complaint, as this clearly
> constitues a hostile workplace environment.  And what's
> next?  Jihad T-shirts from Islamists demanding that all
> Americans accept Allah and the Quran?  Atheist t-shirts
> from Communists demanding that all Americans accept Marx
> and Engels?  That behaviour is just great...if you hate
> your neighbor and want to start a religious war.
> 

You live in the US? You have heard of Freedom of Speech?

We live in a society that has seen the marginalisation, desecration and
humilitation of Jesus Christ. We live in a society where Jesus Christ is
used as a curse, part of gutter language. Think about how you are
offending others, before you jump up and down saying that they are
offending you.

> Let's stop pretending we have NPOV and that we tolerate our
> fellow man, and let's start acting that way in practice.
> 

Wikipedia has a policy of NPOV. There is a difference between tolerance
and acceptance.

Tolerance, from the Latin /tolerare/ 'endure'. When you put up with
something.

Most people use tolerance when they really mean acceptance. Just because
someone tolerates something  - and people should tolerate their fellow
man and woman - doesn't mean they have to accept it.

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