[WikiEN-l] Improve AFD - require rationales (2-step process)

Wed Dec 14 19:13:26 UTC 2005

This has turned into yet another debate over the brokenness of AFD, but I
was actually interested in the original idea, and wonder if we could return
the discussion to that...?

I think the idea is very good, as it forces people to think about why they
are voting to delete/keep the article, and makes it clear what the issues
are. However, I also think that Tony is right and the keepers don't need to
come up with individual reasons to keep, they just have to vote not to
delete. My one change would therefore be the addition of a "Do Not Support"
vote, or whatever it would be called:

===[[FakeBand]]===
====DELETE====
* Band yields only 12 Google hits; all on geocities, lycos and myspace
apart from official site which indicates they're not famous or having
an effect on the music industry. - [[User:Example1]]
**Support -- [[User:Example1]]
**Support -- [[User:Example2]]
**Support -- [[User:Example3]]
**Support -- [[User:Example4]]
**Do Not Support: We're really famous by word of mouth -- [[User:Example5]]
**Do Not Support -- [[User:Example6]]

* Band has no albums on Amazon. (WP:MUSIC) -- [[User:Example1]]
**Support -- [[User:Example1]]
**Support -- [[User:Example2]]
**Do Not Support: But we do have them in our local shops --
[[User:Example3]]
**Support -- [[User:Example4]]
**Support -- [[User:Example5]]
**Support -- [[User:Example6]]

* The listed albums are self-produced as admitted by creator. --
[[User:Example2]]
**Support -- [[User:Example1]]
**Support -- [[User:Example2]]
**Do Not Support: So what? -- [[User:Example3]]
**Do Not Support -- [[User:Example4]]
**Do Not Support -- [[User:Example4]]

====KEEP====
* Band DOES have 3 albums. They're listed on the official site. We
just couldn't get them in the stores yet. (www.fakeband.com). --
[[User:ArticleCreator]]
**Support -- [[User:ArticleCreator]]
______________________________

... or something like that.

Sam
--
Asbestos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Asbestos

On 12/10/05, MacGyverMagic/Mgm <macgyvermagic at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A lot of the poisonous feelings on AFD seems to come from sheep voting
> and people voting without providing rationales. Perhaps we should
> improve the debate-percentage and require people to provide
> rationales.
>
> I suggest a two step process:
> 1) The first 24 or 48 hours people submit rationales for or against
> deletion.
> 2) After that people can vote on which of these they support.
> Similar to a finding of the facts.
>
> This would make it easier to discount votes based on outdated or
> incorrect reasons. "Article is too short" (after it was expanded), or
> "unreferenced" (when acutally the link was temporarily down).
>
> It would also make it easier to see at a glance whether it was deleted
> for being non-notable, for missing references or for being in a
> irredeemable state.
>
> Mock Up Example:
>
> ===[[FakeBand]]===
> ====DELETE====
> * Band yields only 12 Google hits; all on geocities, lycos and myspace
> apart from official site which indicates they're not famous or having
> an effect on the music industry. - [[User:Example1]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example1]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example2]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example3]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example4]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example5]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example6]]
>
> * Band has no All Music Guide entry. (WP:MUSIC)  -- [[User:Example1]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example1]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example2]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example3]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example4]]
> * Band has no albums on Amazon. (WP:MUSIC) -- [[User:Example1]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example1]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example2]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example3]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example4]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example5]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example6]]
> * The listed albums are self-produced as admitted by creator. --
> [[User:Example2]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example1]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example2]]
>
> ====KEEP====
> * Band DOES have 3 albums. They're listed on the official site. We
> just couldn't get them in the stores yet. (www.fakeband.com). --
> [[User:ArticleCreator]]
> **Support -- [[User:ArticleCreator]]
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