[WikiEN-l] Improve AFD - require rationales (2-step process)

Sun Dec 11 03:15:23 UTC 2005

On 12/10/05, MacGyverMagic/Mgm <macgyvermagic at gmail.com> wrote:
> A lot of the poisonous feelings on AFD seems to come from sheep voting
> and people voting without providing rationales. Perhaps we should
> improve the debate-percentage and require people to provide
> rationales.

One of the things that's often bothered me is people voting, not without
reasons, but with illogical/irrelevant reasons and knowing that they're
still being counted as a "delete" or "keep" vote (e.g. the notorious RFA
vote which said, "I oppose because I don't like X who supported"). That
one's more frustrating to me that anything else: the voter's immunity to
reason. "My vote's just as good as yours and I refuse to change it,
regardless to any decent information you may put forth."

Blackcap

On 12/10/05, MacGyverMagic/Mgm <macgyvermagic at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A lot of the poisonous feelings on AFD seems to come from sheep voting
> and people voting without providing rationales. Perhaps we should
> improve the debate-percentage and require people to provide
> rationales.
>
> I suggest a two step process:
> 1) The first 24 or 48 hours people submit rationales for or against
> deletion.
> 2) After that people can vote on which of these they support.
> Similar to a finding of the facts.
>
> This would make it easier to discount votes based on outdated or
> incorrect reasons. "Article is too short" (after it was expanded), or
> "unreferenced" (when acutally the link was temporarily down).
>
> It would also make it easier to see at a glance whether it was deleted
> for being non-notable, for missing references or for being in a
> irredeemable state.
>
> Mock Up Example:
>
> ===[[FakeBand]]===
> ====DELETE====
> * Band yields only 12 Google hits; all on geocities, lycos and myspace
> apart from official site which indicates they're not famous or having
> an effect on the music industry. - [[User:Example1]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example1]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example2]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example3]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example4]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example5]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example6]]
>
> * Band has no All Music Guide entry. (WP:MUSIC)  -- [[User:Example1]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example1]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example2]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example3]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example4]]
> * Band has no albums on Amazon. (WP:MUSIC) -- [[User:Example1]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example1]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example2]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example3]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example4]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example5]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example6]]
> * The listed albums are self-produced as admitted by creator. --
> [[User:Example2]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example1]]
> **Support -- [[User:Example2]]
>
> ====KEEP====
> * Band DOES have 3 albums. They're listed on the official site. We
> just couldn't get them in the stores yet. (www.fakeband.com). --
> [[User:ArticleCreator]]
> **Support -- [[User:ArticleCreator]]
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