[WikiEN-l] David Hager is listed as convicted rapist

Thu Dec 8 02:44:40 UTC 2005

Um, so what exactly are you proposing is the procedure here? I should
just rely on my (your?) judgment about when NPOV is being trumped by
community lack of consensus?

I think [[Category:Soviet spies]] should be trashed. 95% of the people
in the category were never charged much less convicted. Most of them
have a name which appears on some cryptic NSA file but that deserves a
category of "Listed by the NSA as a spy" or something like that.

I think that the community (lack of) consensus was affected by a small
horde of POV-pushers rallied for the occasion.

So... should I just take it upon myself to delete it? That would raise
nothing but hell. I'm not interested in that. Do we have mechanisms
set up for this? Or is it the Ed Poor, "delete first, figure out the
politics of it later" strategy?

FF

On 12/6/05, David Gerard <fun at thingy.apana.org.au> wrote:
> Steve Block wrote:
> > Jimmy Wales wrote:
> >> JAY JG wrote:
>
> >>> I've been have a months-long debate with another editor on this
> >>> topic. I've been stating that we include people in "Criminals"
> >>> categories if
> >>> they have been convicted of a crime by an independent judiciary.  The
> >>> other editor insists that we have to decide (by some means) whether or
> >>> not they have actually committed a crime, conviction is not enough a
> >>> good enough yardstick.  I'd be interested in other thoughts here.
>
> >> I have a simple thought.  My simple thought is that of course you are
> >> right. :-)
>
> > I agree with you, but community consensus doesn't.  I recently tried to
> > get the criminal categories renamed to include the words convicted but
> > was told that was unworkable since Butch Cassiday was never convicted,
> > or something.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_November_15#Criminals
>
>
> Well, I guess community consensus trumps NPOV ... except of course it
> doesn't. That would get a "don't be dense" category deletion.
>
>
> - d.
>
>
>
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