[WikiEN-l] original research

Tue Dec 7 19:21:28 UTC 2004

Actually the 'inclusionist' are usually harping on
about deletion of things that are verifiable by
several external sources. I have never seen the usual
suspect object to something that genuinely cannot be
verified externally.
Mark

--- John Lee <johnleemk at gawab.com> wrote:

> Publish a book about it. If the society is
> interesting enough to be of 
> note, sufficient pop culture should arise
> surrounding it to justify an 
> article.
> 
> The incident you mention is indeed original rsearch
> - that is why we 
> need an external source. Original research cannot be
> verified - that is 
> why we need an external source. The inclusionists
> harp on it - "But it's 
> VERIFIABLE! We gotta' keep it!" Without a source not
> from Wikipedia, 
> this is not verifiable at all.
> 
> John Lee
> ([[User:Johnleemk]])
> 
> Sean Barrett wrote:
> 
> > I have recently noticed another form of what I
> consider to be 
> > "original research," and I'd like to see if the
> consensus agrees with me.
> >
> > The article [[The League of Distinguished
> Gentlemen]] purports to 
> > describe a secret society at Creighton University.
>  It clearly was 
> > written by the secret society himself and is
> currently listed for 
> > deletion.  A popular reason given in the votes for
> deletion is 
> > "unverifiable," the rebuttal to which is "you
> can't verify it because 
> > it's a /truly/ secret secret society!"
> >
> > All of which is only mildly amusing, but did lead
> me to contemplate 
> > the possibility of a /real/ truly secret secret
> society.  Even if such 
> > an Illuminatus really did exist, and someone
> really were able to 
> > penetrate it, it seems to me that the resulting
> exposé would be 
> > original research, and not appropriate for
> Wikipedia.
> >
> > Thus, it seems to me that all unverifiable claims
> about secret 
> > societies are logically either
> > (A) untrue, in which case they should be deleted,
> or
> > (2) true, in which case they are original research
> and should be deleted.
> >
> > Comments?
> >
> > -- 
> >  Sean Barrett     | Remember your priorities.
> Draining the
> >  sean at epoptic.com | swamp will take care of the
> alligators.
> 
> 
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