[Foundation-l] Stalking Article

Tue Jun 10 21:05:04 UTC 2008

the nice thing about law is that there a far behind with the cyberstuf.

i went to the police. you may threat a person if you put it in a
quistion. the did not en anything.

but if the mail function is used. is it than on wiki or off wiki?

huib

2008/6/10, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko op gmail.com>:
> Off wiki stalking is one thing e have limited control over. It is very easy
> to manupilate the inner workings with an external site to destroy any person
> you dislike - or at least so it appears on my screen. People should not care
> much about these sites.
>
> On-wiki stalking is something we have actual control but we hardly even try
> to do something about it.
>
>      - White Cat
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:03 AM, SlimVirgin <slimvirgin op gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Dan Rosenthal <swatjester op gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > You're preaching to the choir here with me Sarah. I fully support that
>> > principle being applied, and not ignored. I was just pointing out that
>> > there's a policy based reason that allows us to say "You know what,
>> > lets quit blathering about this and do something about it", if we can
>> > grab our collective balls and do it.
>> >
>> > -Dan
>>
>> Dan, I feel we've almost left it too late. We currently have a
>> situation where several of those involved in some of the stalking
>> sites have been promoted to admins, and many more are regular editors
>> who routinely pursue editors they don't like -- via wikistalking,
>> RfCs, RfArs, and reports on AN/I -- in order to make their time on
>> Wikipedia miserable. Shortly after people were shocked that
>> NewYorkBrad was outed and left the project, one of the three people
>> who was instrumental in trying to out me in 2006 was promoted to
>> bureaucrat on another WMF project, with the support of FloNight of the
>> ArbCom. What kind of message does that send?
>>
>> Good editors are leaving because of this kind of thing. It's one thing
>> not to be actively supported by the Foundation, but it's a real kick
>> in the teeth when we see members of the ArbCom support any of these
>> people, and board members (I'm thinking here of Erik when he was on
>> the board) remove their sites from the spam blacklist.
>>
>> It seems that people have short memories if they haven't been targeted
>> themselves.
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jun 9, 2008, at 4:46 PM, SlimVirgin wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Dan Rosenthal <swatjester op gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> I believe on English Wikipedia we have an arbitration finding to
>> >>> that effect
>> >>> (MONGO 1), that says that we should support victims of harassment
>> >>> (which
>> >>> stalking certainly qualifies as).
>> >>>
>> >>> -Dan
>> >>
>> >> We do have that ruling, but it's consistently ignored, including by
>> >> ArbCom members. We allow people to use Wikipedia (posts to articles,
>> >> to talk pages, to AN/I, RfCs, and RfArs) to harass others; and then we
>> >> allow the harassment to be discussed; and then the discussions are
>> >> discussed, all of which creates more harassment for the target --
>> >> which is often the intent. It's a situation that has been going on for
>> >> a couple of years and is only getting worse; it's the reason the
>> >> cyberstalking list was started, but despite a lot of talk, there has
>> >> been no fundamental change. The bottom line is that we have to stop
>> >> giving people who have engaged in harassment a platform in the name of
>> >> free speech and AGF.
>> >>
>> >> Sarah
>> >>
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