[Foundation-l] Stalking Article

Mon Jun 9 08:39:24 UTC 2008

Hoi,
I agree that it is the police that has to deal with these types of
instances. The police is however not always as repsonsive as you would hope.
There is anecdotal evidence that they typically do not want to get involved
in these cases.

I do agree that getting the attention of the authorities is the best way to
get some solution. How to get this attention is achieved best when there is
a dossier about the case and the quality of such a dossier is enhanced when
other people who know how to build such a dossier testify to the veracity of
the claims.

I would love to learn that there is indeed a policy of the Foundation for
such cases.. I would not presume either way that such a policy exists. Such
a policy is problematic given our privacy rules... It is not obvious that
the police should always get what it wants. For this reason it helps when
there is a policy that deals with stalking cases because this can be made a
clarification to the privacy rules that explains what data can be shared
with law enforcement organisations...

NB Keep in your mind that we are not talking about US police alone..
Thanks,
     GerardM

On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Robert Rohde <rarohde at gmail.com> wrote:

> When we talk about real out-of-wiki harassment, we should also keep in mind
> that the experts here are really the police.  We should be encouraging
> victims to reach out to the authorities for help, and not pretend that a
> community of volunteer editors can really solve these problems.
>
> I assume the Foundation already has a policy of assisting the police in
> such
> investigations as necessary.
> -Robert Rohde
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 12:39 AM, Lars Aronsson <lars at aronsson.se> wrote:
>
> > Geoffrey Plourde wrote:
> >
> > > Greg;
> > >
> > > Thanks for your concerns. I believe that the Foundation should
> > > take the step of affirming that they will not stand for stalking
> > > of users, not necessaily a huge banhammer. The group of users
> > > would be more productive in hunting down and bringing justice to
> > > the stalkers.
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure what exactly you mean with "will not stand for". But
> > as I think Greg implied, it is a problem if the WMF opens up to
> > abuse of any such protection.  When people "cry wolf", how do we
> > know if that is a real case of stalking or not?  Is there a way?
> > Who is an expert on how to deal with stalking?  Can they write
> > down some useful guidelines?  Can we teach admins and stewards on
> > this?  Or is [[Wikipedia:Harassment]] fine already, with its
> > recommendation that the harassed user should act calmly?
> >
> > The article [[stalking]] begins with five message boxes requesting
> > neutrality, improvement and input from experts.
> >
> >
> > --
> >  Lars Aronsson (lars at aronsson.se)
> >  Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se
> >
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