[Foundation-l] Arabic, a non native language

Mon Aug 11 22:28:40 UTC 2008

Hoi,
Standard Arabic is recognised under the ISO-639-3 with the code arb. Were
Standard Arabic started today, the ar code would not be available because it
signifies something different.
Thanks,
       GerardM

http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=arb

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote:

> No, I merely stated that I *thought* you were missing the point.
> Perhaps you are, perhaps you aren't, but you stated flatly that you
> were not.
>
> I don't think the point is worrying about Arabic in particular not
> being able to have a Wikipedia, I think it's more of a theoretical
> thing, that if Arabic hadn't had a Wikipedia, it wouldn't be able to
> have one under these rules, and that this somehow invalidates the
> rules because such a major language should be automatically approved
> by our rules.
>
> It's a sort of test for any language rules. Not ALL of our existing
> languages must pass it, but some of course must - Chinese, English,
> Arabic, Spanish, for example, we expect would be considered valid
> languages under any reasonable criteria.
>
> Mark
>
> On 11/08/2008, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hoi,
> > So it is for you to decide that I did not get the point, not having made
> > that point in the first place ??
> > Thanks,
> >       GerardM
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> That's not for you to decide, when you're not the one who made the
> >> point in the first place.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >> On 11/08/2008, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hoi,
> >> > No I did not.
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >       GerardM
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I think you've missed the point.
> >> >>
> >> >> Mark
> >> >>
> >> >> On 11/08/2008, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Hoi.
> >> >> > Given the current practice, this whole issue is irrelevant. There
> is
> >> an
> >> >> Arab
> >> >> > project and this will continue to be the case.
> >> >> > Thanks,
> >> >> >     GerardM
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Crazy Lover <
> >> >> always_yours.forever at yahoo.com
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Reviewing the requirements of current policy
> >> >> >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Language_proposal_policy
> >> >> >> i thought in standard arabic language, and the inevitable
> >> consecuense:
> >> >> >> this
> >> >> >> language cannot meet the requirement. Standard arabic isn't speak
> >> >> anymore
> >> >> >> as
> >> >> >> first language. it's based in Religious arabic languages, it's
> >> archaic,
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> it is neccesary to learn at school to understand it. its situation
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> similar to medieval latin. Then, the consecuense will be absurd:
> the
> >> >> >> rejection of any new project in this useful language.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> on the other hand, there are several native languages, all
> daugthers
> >> of
> >> >> >> classical arabic, like Egyptian arabic (or Masri), whose
> >> >> >> proposal has been approved
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Egyptian_Arabic
> >> >> >> precissely for its native condition.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
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