[Foundation-l] Arabic, a non native language

Mon Aug 11 21:18:40 UTC 2008

I said I *thought* you had missed the point, and you assured me that
you hadn't. It seemed like you did, based on what I thoughed the point
was. Your reaction just seems awfully arrogant to me, as the only way
to know whether you've truly missed the point is to talk it over with
the person who made the point in the first place, which you didn't do.

Let me explain in more detail: This is just an example, much like the
one that I once made (and many people failed to get) about how many of
our present Wikipedias would not have been started if current
requirements had been in place a long time ago. You are insulting
Crazy Lover's intelligence, of course Crazy Lover knows that there is
already an Arabic Wikipedia.

What Crazy Lover is saying, I believe (and I could be wrong, but I
think my way makes much more sense than your way, as your way seems to
presuppose that Crazy Lover believes we have no Arabic Wikipedia), is
that "Any system of rules which would disallow such a language as
Arabic, if it didn't already have a Wikipedia, is bad."

I agree with that - we may already have an Arabic Wikipedia. It's not
necessary to have rules which would make possible ALL current
Wikipedias to have been created, but some of them would not be OK. If
current rules would have excluded, for example, English, or Chinese
Wikipedias, they would similarly be rejected as unacceptable rules.
Yes, we already have those Wikipedias, but that is immaterial because
we are talking about something more abstract than that.

Mark

On 11/08/2008, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hoi,
> So it is for you to decide that I did not get the point, not having made
> that point in the first place ??
> Thanks,
>       GerardM
>
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That's not for you to decide, when you're not the one who made the
>> point in the first place.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 11/08/2008, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hoi,
>> > No I did not.
>> > Thanks,
>> >       GerardM
>> >
>> > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I think you've missed the point.
>> >>
>> >> Mark
>> >>
>> >> On 11/08/2008, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Hoi.
>> >> > Given the current practice, this whole issue is irrelevant. There is
>> an
>> >> Arab
>> >> > project and this will continue to be the case.
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> >     GerardM
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Crazy Lover <
>> >> always_yours.forever at yahoo.com
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Reviewing the requirements of current policy
>> >> >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Language_proposal_policy
>> >> >> i thought in standard arabic language, and the inevitable
>> consecuense:
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> language cannot meet the requirement. Standard arabic isn't speak
>> >> anymore
>> >> >> as
>> >> >> first language. it's based in Religious arabic languages, it's
>> archaic,
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> it is neccesary to learn at school to understand it. its situation
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> similar to medieval latin. Then, the consecuense will be absurd: the
>> >> >> rejection of any new project in this useful language.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> on the other hand, there are several native languages, all daugthers
>> of
>> >> >> classical arabic, like Egyptian arabic (or Masri), whose
>> >> >> proposal has been approved
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Egyptian_Arabic
>> >> >> precissely for its native condition.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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