[Foundation-l] A dangerous precedent

Fri Dec 28 17:58:25 UTC 2007

Please, first read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_dissonance .

On http://vo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patikos:Shortpages :

(jenotem) ‎Menotey ‎[jöläts 0] > blanked by 87.97.23.48.pool.invitel.hu ,
wich has undid by my dinamic IP adrss

(jenotem) ‎Mirnav ‎[jöläts 16] > striked and deleted

(jenotem) ‎Nünots Volapükaklub Linz-Urfahr ‎[jöläts 101]
(jenotem) ‎Timabled Volapükik ‎[jöläts 102]
(jenotem) ‎Yelabuk Volapükakluba valemik Nedänik ‎[jöläts 102]
(jenotem) ‎Volapükakongred di Friedrichshafen ‎[jöläts 104]
(jenotem) ‎Yelanunod Volapükaklub in Leitmeritz ‎[jöläts 104]

^ all with one phase and one category. Read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_dissonance again.

On Dec 28, 2007 3:15 PM, Daniel Arnold <arnomane at gmx.de> wrote:

> Am Freitag, 28. Dezember 2007 16:42:20 schrieb Luiz Augusto:
> > [...]
> > Look the timestamp... I really love the worry that de.wikipedia (and
> > de.projects in general) have to quality. It is great to have. But on de
> > projects. Please avoid [[Cultural dissonance]]. Your community thinks
> > something, others communities not necessarily share it.
>
> Well I can "reveal" even more. I noticed this whole matter in a personal
> meeting of Wikipedians from Nuremberg in Ansbach on 21. December
> (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:N
> ürnberg/Berichte#21._Dezember_2007).
>
> Among other topics we which interwikis are an advantage to our
> multilingual
> readers (look at the article [[Sun]] it is a challenge to find the
> interwikis
> in the languages you are interested in).
>
> Thus we naturally discussed about Volapük Wikipedias "articles" and their
> resulting interwikis and our past efforts to solve he issue *together*
> with
> vo.wikipedians. One of our finding was that vo.wikipedians even consider
> masses of articles *without a single sentence* as articles and properly
> proposing some of those articles for deletion as vandalism (just today
> Smeira
> said in one case a little sorry combined with a further demand to follow
> some
> strange rules).
>
> On independence of Wikipedia communities:
> * A Wikipedia that generates interwikis to such contentless articles en
> masse
> destroys one of our common strengths: Our cool interwiki system.
> * Furthermore they challenge the reputation of the whole international
> Wikipedia community to outsiders.
> * And above all. There are some unchangeable rules in every Wikipedia
> imposed
> by the Wikimedia Foundation. One of them is NPOV and vo.wikipedia in its
> current stage simply has no chance to get somewhere near NPOV because of
> their methods choosen.
>
> So we all Wikipedias have mutal responsibility. If a Wikipedia is denies
> any
> responsibility for others and ignores (even temporarily) some unchangeable
> rules this community has to face the fact that they loose their
> independence
> until they are on common ground again.
>
> I would never impose de.wikipedia's "rules" on others (heck even I do not
> agree with some of these "rules", see
> http://arnomane.wordpress.com/2007/10/04/relevanz-ist-irrelevant/), just
> the
> common ground with a differentiated request (keeping all non-minor
> articles
> of Volapük and moving it to the Incubator).
>
> Arnomane
>
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