[Foundation-l] Quran in Sitenotice

Thu Jul 13 19:38:43 UTC 2006

I would totally agree with you here, and I wanted to float the idea
anyway. As for the language of the message, would it be appropriate to
post both? I wouldn't want to make a mess of the page and yet I
wouldn't want to alienate people from the discussion, which would make
us seem like distant bureaucrats, as someone said above. geni's
message is better than mine, but the ending looks perfectly valid to
me - we don't want to appear forceful, we want to open discussion by
the users of that wiki, which few of us on this list seem to be. So,
are we happy with that suggestion?

On 13/07/06, Oldak Quill <oldakquill at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think a quote from Jimbo would be inappropriate. If there are angry
> reactions, there is no reason for Jimbo to be the target of their
> anger. It was not he who raised the issue initially. Afterall, the
> foundation should be able to function with or without Jimbo (he does a
> priceless, invaluable job and is very good at it, but the foundation
> is a seperate entity). I don't think every decision relating to, or
> by, the Foundation should be supplied with a quote by Jimbo. Let it
> stand on its own two feet.
>
> On 13/07/06, Sean Whitton <sean at silentflame.com> wrote:
> > That sounds sensible, how about something along the lines of (after
> > translation by a kind soul):
> > Discussion on the [[foundation-l]] mailing list about the Urdu
> > Wikipedia's sitenotice has come to the conclusion that according to
> > policy the sitenotice should not be used <perhaps a quote from Jimbo
> > here>. We'd like to hear the opinions of the users of this wiki before
> > we take any action over this issue.
> >
> > Sound okay?
> >
> > On 13/07/06, Oldak Quill <oldakquill at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I think we should tell the community before it is removed; present
> > > them with the Foundation's position and allow members of the community
> > > who are for the message to respond before anything is done. We don't
> > > want to seem like distant bureaucrats unfamiliar with custom and
> > > lacking diplomacy.
> > >
> > > On 13/07/06, Sean Whitton <sean at silentflame.com> wrote:
> > > > So, we are in agreement that it should be removed? If I'm right here,
> > > > would a steward care to do it?
> > > >
> > > > On 13/07/06, Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia.com> wrote:
> > > > > Elisabeth Bauer wrote:
> > > > > > Quran quotes (or any other, btw) in the sitenotice are an abuse of the
> > > > > > tool and should be removed immediately.
> > > > >
> > > > > The "or any other" bit is extremely important.  This is not about
> > > > > religion, it is just that the sitenotice is to be used for announcements
> > > > > of upcoming events, news, fundraisers, things of that nature, not for
> > > > > quotes.
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