[Foundation-l] The Perl Wiki, or Perl-Wikipedia

Wed Jul 5 21:02:20 UTC 2006

James Hare wrote:

>Welcome to the mailing list, Mr. Meyers
>
>If you were to go through with this wiki, you aren't allowed to call it
>Perl-Wikipedia, seeing as "Wikipedia" is a registered trademark.
>
>--James
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But be advised that if you import any of the XML dumps from 
download.wikimedia.org, then you
will discover "Wikipedia" littered throughout, including ads for 
Wikimania, funding solicitation, etc. , so to
remove any confusion, convert the word "Wikipedia" into an adjective by 
terming it a "Wikipedia Mirror"
if you are mirroring their content - it its a new wiki not mirroring 
their content, "Wikipedia" is an restricted
trademark.

Jeff

>On 7/5/06, Eric R. Meyers <ermeyers at adelphia.net> wrote:
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>>Hello to The Wikimedia Foundation,
>>
>>I'm a Systems Engineer in Pennsylvania, USA.  "Shalom" to Shlomi, in
>>Israel,
>>at http://iglu.org.il, and a "Good Day" to Jacinta, in Australia, at
>>http://perl.net.au.
>>
>>I don't know if Shlomi or Jacinta have read my very enthusiastic response
>>to
>>Shlomi's post on the perl.advocacy usenet, but I've begun to research my
>>idea
>>on Wikipedia, towards the creation of Perl-Wikipedia, "The Free
>>Encyclopedia
>>of Perl."
>>
>>I've just joined the <foundation-I at wikimedia.org> mailing list, and I'd
>>like
>>to start a discussion with The Wikimedia Foundation on their mailing list,
>>and I'm also asking my two fellow Perl advocates to participate in this
>>discussion with me.
>>
>>Shlomi and Jacinta both have valuable Wiki development expertise and their
>>own
>>excellent perspectives on this matter of creating "The Perl Wiki," or
>>Perl-Wikipedia as I see it.
>>
>>Shlomi Fish wrote in the perl.advocacy usenet:
>>
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>>>While I may be invoking Joel's Quarreling Kids Rule here[1], I think a
>>>central wiki for Perl may be a good idea, not only as a way to
>>>      
>>>
>>consolidate
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>>>all these specialised wiki's, but also to be "The Perl Wiki" which
>>>everyone will refer to. We can have http://wiki.perl.org/ for easy
>>>      
>>>
>>linking
>>    
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>>>and good Google Juice.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>I responded to Shlomi:
>>
>>        I believe that this http://wiki.perl.org, "The Perl Wiki," is an
>>absolute
>>        requirement, not an option, and I'm fully available to contribute
>>to its
>>        making.  Let's add a Wiki link to
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl, right
>>        under the Website link to http://www.perl.org, and let's do it.
>>
>>        I've learned a lot from Wikipedia, and I've also learned a lot
>>about
>>        Wikipedia, and I just see this "The Perl Wiki" as a normal
>>extension of
>>        Wikipedia, creating the Perl-Wikipedia, "The Free Encyclopedia of
>>Perl."
>>
>>        I've learned what happens on Wikipedia, where "Over 94% of all
>>vandalism is
>>        removed within ten minutes" [1].  That's a very good statistic,
>>and I've
>>        actually seen it happen.
>>
>>        There are so many good things to come from this great idea.
>>
>>        I'm in.
>>
>>I'm an advocate of three global topics:
>>
>>        1. The Religion called Christianity (PERSONAL TRUTH)
>>        2. The Free Encyclopedia called Wikipedia (PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE)
>>        3. The Programming Language called Perl (PERSONAL POWER)
>>
>>I personally believe in and use, all three of them, all of the time.
>>
>>As a result of my personal decision to commit to this next good public
>>thing,
>>I've begun to learn what I need to learn, in order to make this great idea
>>of
>>Shlomi's happen, for the sake of our global community.
>>
>>Today I reviewed what I could find in Wikipedia, The Wikimedia Foundation,
>>and
>>the new project policy at
>>http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/New_project_policy.
>>
>>I want to help create a new global topic, or a new Wikipedia subtopic,
>>called
>>The Free Encyclopedia of Perl, "'The Perl Wiki' that everyone will refer
>>to,"
>>and I need everyone's help to decide how to engineer it "The Right Way."
>>
>>What is "The Right Way" to create, establish or begin the foundation of
>>"The
>>Free Encyclopedia of Perl?"
>>
>>Should we simply expand upon Wikipedia's Perl entry already established at
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl, opening the door to exponential growth
>>and
>>the possibly rapid consumption of The Wikimedia Foundation's valuable
>>resources, or should we add an external Wiki link in Wikipedia pointing
>>out
>>to http://wiki.perl.org as "The Perl Wiki," which may or may not
>>eventually
>>become Perl-Wikipedia in the future.
>>
>>Whatever solution is found, I want "The Free Encyclopedia of Perl" to be
>>highly integrated with "The Free Encyclopedia," called Wikipedia, to get
>>the
>>maximum synergy of out two very good things put together for the public
>>good.
>>
>>I've come to ask the people of The Wikimedia Foundation for their expert
>>opinions and guidance.  From what I've read today, advancing a new
>>Wikimedia
>>Foundation project called Perl-Wikipedia to fruition could take years, so
>>I
>>know that besides having this initial discussion, the external hosting of
>>http://wiki.perl.org, "The Perl Wiki," is probably the first stage of the
>>development towards my thoughts of Perl-Wikipedia, "The Free Encyclopedia
>>of
>>Perl."
>>
>>I look forward to all of your valuable contributions to this discussion.
>>
>>Eric R. Meyers
>>
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