[Foundation-l] Celebrity pictures

Sat Aug 26 13:06:12 UTC 2006

I agree this is an instance where chapters are very
useful.  I didn't mean to imply that nothing should be
sent on to the Foundation.  But if the individual
editors take care of the easy ones.  And also gather a
list of the exact contact info of people who requested
to deal with someone official.  Well providing that
list to one the commitees or something is a different
proposition than asking the Foundation to gather free
photos of celebrities for Wikipedia in general terms.

Birgitte SB

--- effe iets anders <effeietsanders at gmail.com> wrote:

> That is not fully true. I have tried myself in the
> past to get photo's
> sourcetexts and other material to extract from
> organizations. It works
> very difficult because they don't like to deal with
> individuals. And
> they don't get at all how the wikimedia-projects
> work. They feel an
> urgent need to speak with a formal organization,
> even if that does not
> matter at the end. If you want to get photo's on a
> large scale, you
> need to be able to say: "Hi, I'm xxx from the
> yyy-organization, and I
> am here to talk with you". It should not be a
> problem to mention as
> well that you are not allowed to make any agreements
> on behalf of that
> organization.
> 
> Such an organization does not have to be per se the
> Wikimedia
> Foundation Inc., but can also be a local chapter. As
> long as you can
> tell them *somehow* that you are associated with
> such an organization.
> You need that to enter the conversation. If they are
> going to release
> images in the free domains, you don't ahve to make
> up contracts, sign
> stuff or someting like that, so it should not be a
> big deal.
> 
> Of course the foundation-people have already a lot
> of work to do. But
> it should be possible to get more people in
> semi-formal positions,
> right? theoretically we could make up an officer for
> obtaining open
> content and material for the projects. The officer
> does not have to
> have any "power", abilities or something like that,
> just the name does
> already do a really good job. Maybe something to
> think about?
> 
> Greetings, Lodewijk
> 
> 2006/8/26, Birgitte SB <birgitte_sb at yahoo.com>:
> > I suggest you work on getting these photos as
> > individual editors.  After all "The Foundation"
> > consists of around a dozen people and there are
> many
> > thousands of individual editors.  I imagine at
> least
> > three dozens of those editors are particulary
> > interested in these pictures.  While at the same
> time
> > the people that make up "The Foundation" propably
> feel
> > as if they each have three dozen priority tasks to
> do
> > already.  Anr I do not believe this project would
> be a
> > priority by Foundation standards.  So practically
> > speaking  you are *not* more likely to succeed in
> > obtaining photos if it is left up to "The
> Foundation".
> >
> > Birgitte SB
> >
> > --- James Hare <messedrocker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Generally speaking, I am a weak defender of the
> use
> > > of copyrighted pictures
> > > of living people (except when there's a freebie
> > > available) because I don't
> > > think they have the time to have a picture of
> > > themselves taken so it can be
> > > used on Wikipedia. (Don't hit me back with
> semantics
> > > -- I know it would be
> > > usable for more than Wikipedia.)
> > >
> > > However, I do believe we should be persuing an
> > > active effort to obtain
> > > free-use photographs of living people wherever
> > > possible. I'm talking about
> > > an effort at the Foundation level.
> > >
> > > On 8/25/06, Garion96 <garion96 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 8/9/06, Garion96 <garion96 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >  Regarding Jimmy Wales's comment here
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3APublicity_photos&diff=66922063&oldid=58823881
> > > > >  concerning fair use.
> > > > >
> > > > > To quote "In general, ordinary publicity
> photos
> > > of celebrities should
> > > > not
> > > > > be used in Wikipedia unless they are
> released
> > > under a free license. We
> > > > are
> > > > > powerful enough now that we can insist on
> this,
> > > and get it, from just
> > > > about
> > > > > any celebrity, or we can get a free photo in
> a
> > > number of different ways.
> > > > > Using fair use in such cases discourages us
> from
> > > creatively looking for
> > > > a
> > > > > way to enlarge the commons."
> > > > >
> > > > > Would it be a good idea if the foundation
> would
> > > ask for 'free' images
> > > > from
> > > > > big record companies (like Sony music
> > > entertainment), actor agencies
> > > > etc. I
> > > > > know any editor can do this, but it would
> > > definitely have a greater
> > > > > chance of success if it is coming from the
> > > foundation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Garion96
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Anymore comments on this? Ixnays, supports and
> the
> > > like? :)
> > > >
> > > > Garion
> > > >
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