[Foundation-l] Re: Project proposals on meta

Sun Nov 14 09:30:59 UTC 2004

I generally agree with Erik on this. Editors added their project on meta 
  (or more generally, on one of wikimedia projects), and it should stay 
on meta.

As far as I know, Wikicities is not a wikimedia project, and I see no 
reason why we would move there information which was given here. At 
least no more reason to move it there rather than anywhere else.

Meta is meant precisely to receive such information and proposal. I 
object to information be disseminated on several wikis, in particular on 
projects which are not ours.

Of course, that does not mean the content of the page can't be copied on 
wikicities, and become useful over there. But it should stay on meta, 
because it is one of the goal of meta to welcome brainstorming.

This said, the meta page needs clean up so that we can distinguish 
between projects which just do not fit our goals, and others potentially 
interesting later on.
We could welcome rough polls for each project, and do a short meeting to 
decide which ones to move to an archive.

Anthere

Erik Moeller a écrit:
> Elisabeth-
> 
>>Since many people complained to me about Meta being an unusable
>>labyrinth, I'd like to do a little bit of cleanup and wondered if we
>>could just move this list to wikicities (jimbo's pet project where
>>people can set up wikis on their own) and direct new entries on meta of
>>the type "oh there is no wiki on ... what about ...?" to wikicities:
>>http://www.wikicities.com/index.php/Proposed_wikis
> 
> 
> No, please don't do that. While I like Wikicities, I want Wikimedia itself  
> to be and remain at the forefront of exploring new and innovative uses of  
> wikis. Discussion is a large part of that. I agree that many of the  
> proposals will not have a future as separate projects, but for most of the  
> useful ones, I see potential for integration into existing ones. Instead  
> of encouraging separate projects, we should systematically explore how to  
> integrate good ideas into the Wikimedia framework. What cannot happen  
> today may very well happen tomorrow.
> 
> NPOV also dictates that we do not give preference to any outside wiki  
> hosting company. Why direct the Wikimedia community to wikicities.com and  
> not myoo.de or wikidev.net, both of which are run by MediaWiki developers?  
> I think a general note about wiki hosting on the talk page is more  
> appropriate.
> 
> In short, I strongly oppose moving this talk page out of Meta, and even  
> more strongly to move it to a specific hosting company.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Erik