involvement on the technical side of things. I do find it a chore to insert a picture or a table, but I figure it out when I have to. When templates appear in an article that I am editing, I need to make extra effort just to track where some of them come from or what they mean. If I, as a person who has been here for over three years, am having trouble with this, it must be worse for a non-technical person who just wants to indulge his love of words. I too am alarmed at the proposal, as much as I have seen it. I am technical(well, used to be) 28 years in the computer industry, starting at the most technical levels of system programming, but over the years migrating to the role of helping general business users get the best out of systems, as business analyst, system designer, project manager. One thing I learned was - never let a technician design a system. It will be great for the technician's personal uses, but a huge chance it will be useless to the general users. Like Ec I find even the present level of codification annoyingly complicated. Requiring any significant level of codification from general users would just knock out 99%of the population form being contributors, asituation we cannot go towards. lack of communication with the user community, the idea of introducing a new more technical Ultimate Wiktionary sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. Richardb rb_wiktionary(a)boult.mailshell.com This mail message is not intended to receive a reply to the address used to send it. The address used for sending it will not accept replies. The content may reveal an address you can use.