Yup, still true. We do at least have a common
goal of structured
HTML, as defined by
It sounds like Tpt's scraper will do wonders, if a Wikisource
just complies to that. I think that's one of the next steps we
need to take.>>>
I sort of figure from the English Wikisource point of view that we
should do more on bringing data *in* from Wikidata, in our
{{header}}, rather than working on making it easier to extract data
*out* with microformats/structured-HTML. Well, we should do both, of
course! :-) But my feeling from the process of getting Author data
in from Wikidata is that the whole Wikidata integration becomes so
much more worthwhile and clearer (and we sort out the various edge
cases) when we're actively using it for real.>>>
But of course, each Wikisource is in a similar position. :-( And are
we to all be developing the Lua scripts and templates in isolation?
Indeed no! :-) We shall put them all toegther in our brave new
Wikisource extension! :)>>>
—sam
On Wed, 1 Nov 2017, at 04:03 PM, Andrea Zanni wrote:
@Sam, Tpt,
my personal experience is too that HTML is the way to pull out the
Wikisource important metadata,>>>> but it's also that every Wikisource
has sort of a different way to
show them,>>>> meaning that you need to tweak your scraper for each
Wikisource.
Is that still true? Last time I did it was more than one year ago,
but I need to try it again soon.>>>> Aubrey
On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 1:00 AM, Sam Wilson <sam(a)samwilson.id.au>
wrote:>>>>> Yes I think you're definitely right! The easier way to
send
> Wikisource>>>>> data to Wikidata is going to be a clever gadget that
reads the
> microformat or schema'd info in each page. My hack was just a
> quick and>>>>> easy test at getting some things added. :)
>
> Ultimately, I'm actually not that excited about working on the
> tools>>>>> that we need to transfer the data. No no I don't mean
that! Well,
> just>>>>> that the end point we're aiming at is that a bunch of
info *won't
> be* at>>>>> all in Wikisource, but will be pulled from Wikidata, and
so I am
> much>>>>> more interested in making better tools for working with the
> data in>>>>> Wikidata. :-) If you see what I mean.
>
> My idea with ws-search is that it will progressively pull more and
> more>>>>> data from Wikidata, and only resort to HTML scraping where
the
> data is>>>>> missing from Wikidata. I'm attempting to encapsulate
this logic
> in the>>>>> `wikisource/api` PHP library.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 31 Oct 2017, at 11:14 PM, Thomas Pellissier Tanon wrote:
> > Hello Sam,
> >
> > Thank you for this nice feature!
> >
> > I have created a few months ago a prototype of Wikisource to
> > Wikidata>>>>> > importation tool for the French Wikisource
based on the
> > schema.org>>>>> > annotation I have added to the main header
template (I
> > definitely think>>>>> > we should move from our custom
microformat to this
schema.org
> > markup that>>>>> > could be much more structured). It's
not yet ready but I plan to
> > move it>>>>> > forward in the coming weeks. A beginning of
frontend to add to
> > your>>>>> > Wikidata common.js is here:
> >
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Tpt/ws2wd.js
> > We should probably find a way to merge the two projects.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> > > Le 31 oct. 2017 à 15:10, Nicolas VIGNERON
> > > <vigneron.nicolas(a)gmail.com> a écrit :>>>>> > >
> > > 2017-10-31 13:16 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com>om>:
> > > Sorry, I am much more of a Wikidatan than a Wikisourcerer! I
> > > was referring to items like this one>>>>> > >
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q21125368
> > >
> > > No need to be sorry, that is actually a good question and this
> > > example is even better (I totally forgot this kind of
case).>>>>> > >
> > > For now, this is probably better to deal with it by hands (and
> > > I'm not sure what this tools can even do for this).>>>>>
> >
> > > Cdlt, ~nicolas
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