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Bogdan Giusca

18 Mar 2006 18 Mar '06

3:05 p.m.

Gerard, you forgot an important thing of this affair: NO MOLDOVANS requested or wanted this Wikipedia. We have *no* Transnistrian Moldovan contributors who want to write a wikipedia in Cyrillic alphabet. Its only supporters are Node_ue (the kid in Arizona who barely speaks the language) and a few Russians who support it for ideological/political reasons and who can't contribute anyway, as they don't know the language. There are no newspapers, no journals, no magazines, no books currently published in Romanian Cyrillic in Transnistria. The children use decades old schoolbooks from the time of the Soviet Union. Virtually everyone there would like to switch the education system to the Latin alphabet, but dissent is not something easy to do in a totalitarian regime: there are some Romanian/Moldovan Transnistrians in prison since 1991 for political dissent. So, I'd say to close it now, not because of political reasons, but for the simple fact there are not enough people to contribute to it.

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Chris Jenkinson

18 Mar 18 Mar

3:11 p.m.

Bogdan Giusca wrote:

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Gerard, you forgot an important thing of this affair: NO MOLDOVANS requested or wanted this Wikipedia.

I have to ask (to you, and the other people who want it closed down), why do you care so much about it? Go and contribute to another language Wikipedia instead. Then you won't have to worry about the existence of this edition of Wikipedia. It just seems to me like there's been a lot of argument over something which you (and others) aren't contributing to anyway, so it doesn't really make a practical difference to you whether it's open or closed. Chris -- Chris Jenkinson chris(a)starglade.org "Mistrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful." -- Friedrich Nietzsche, Thus Spoke Zarathustra

GerardM

3:58 p.m.

Hoi, You presume that you know what all people in Transnistria want, you presume again with political arguments that people cannot have their change. What you know of Transnistria is more than I do. History has learned elsewhere that after a change there are always people who yearned for the good old days... As to Mark, you cannot deny that he puts efford in what he thinks important. When you compare this with people who vote on Meta for a new project just because they think something a good idea, it is a breath of fresh air. When you think that you know his politics because of the quote that he uses, I am sure you do not understand Mark. When some Russians are in favour, their reasons are certainly as honourable as yours. The difference is that you want to achieve the destruction of a wiki while your opponents want to preserve and continue a wiki. I did not really care either way but my sympathy is not with politics and for many reasons I am not in favour of the deletion of wikis. The agrassive way in which you seek to delete this project tipped my sympathy. I do not vote, could not vote but I do voice my disaproval. Thanks, GerardM On 3/18/06, Bogdan Giusca <liste(a)dapyx.com> wrote:

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Mark Williamson

6:33 p.m.

If that's your reason, we should probably close gotwiki as well. Perhaps gvwiki. Mark On 18/03/06, Bogdan Giusca <liste(a)dapyx.com> wrote:

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-- "Take away their language, destroy their souls." -- Joseph Stalin

Alphax (Wikipedia email)

19 Mar 19 Mar

4:13 a.m.

Mark Williamson wrote:

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On 18/03/06, Bogdan Giusca <liste(a)dapyx.com> wrote:

If that's your reason, we should probably close gotwiki as well. Perhaps gvwiki.

Has anyone apart from yourself and a few (insert nation here) nationalists contributed to these? Are they real langauges? Would any real people find them useful? -- Alphax - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax Contributor to Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia "We make the internet not suck" - Jimbo Wales Public key: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax/OpenPGP

Mark Williamson

7:30 a.m.

No, yes, yes. But then, the same is true of mowp -- regardless of whether or not you consider Moldovan to be a dialect of Romanian, it undeniably "exists", and it is undeniable that some people write it in Cyrillic -- thus, it is a real language which is used on mowp, one which was not "invented" but which is found in books written by people for whom it was the native language and has evolved over the centuries from another natural language, Latin, regardless of whether you call the language "Romanian written in Cyrillic" or "Moldavian". And obviously, some people would find it useful, namely those people whose primary or possibly even only script is Cyrillic. In addition to the Moldovan population of Transnistria, groups who can be considered to use Cyrillic in some significant capacity include the Moldovan communities in Ukraine and Russia, most of whom emigrated before Latin was made official, although it's probable that the majority would use Latin nowadays anyhow. Some people have raised the issue that there is low internet access to people who write this language in Cyrillic. That is certainly true. Internet access is poor. But the same is true for Bambara, or Yoruba, or Fulfulde, and yet we are building Wikipedias for them. The hope is that someday they will have a better infrastructure, or that perhaps they can be distributed in print format. Mark On 18/03/06, Alphax (Wikipedia email) <alphasigmax(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Mark Williamson wrote:

On 18/03/06, Bogdan Giusca <liste(a)dapyx.com> wrote:

If that's your reason, we should probably close gotwiki as well. Perhaps gvwiki.

-- "Take away their language, destroy their souls." -- Joseph Stalin

Wikipedia Romania (Ronline)

9:47 a.m.

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Some people have raised the issue that there is low internet access to people who write this language in Cyrillic. That is certainly true. Internet access is poor. But the same is true for Bambara, or Yoruba, or Fulfulde, and yet we are building Wikipedias for them. The hope is that someday they will have a better infrastructure, or that perhaps they can be distributed in print format. Mark

Yes, but remember that Cyrillic is a script in decline. The 150,000 or so Moldovans in Transnistria are made to use Cyrillic, and they would prefer to use Latin, as can be seen by the crisis provoked by the decision to remove state funding from Latin-script schools. OK, none of these are reasons against the existence of a Moldovan Wikipedia in Cyrillic per se, but I think your point of this being able to be used for any tangible positive purpose is overstated. This can be seen by the fact that there are no contributors who are interested in adding information to the project at the moment (i.e. native speakers). Even *this* wouldn't be a problem. The biggest problem that people don't agree with, however, is that the Moldovan Wikipedia is biscriptal, and in practice is Cyrillic-only (article-wise), when Cyrillic is neither the majority script, nor an official script, while also ideologically representing a symbol of past repression (we can't always look at things in a political vacuum). Ronline

Mark Williamson

9:51 a.m.

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As I've noted many times before, Latin alphabet is still taught in private schools in Transnistria. Nobody is being forced to use Cyrillic.

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The biggest problem that people don't agree with, however, is that the Moldovan Wikipedia is biscriptal, and in practice is Cyrillic-only (article-wise), when Cyrillic is neither the majority script, nor an official script, while also ideologically representing a symbol of past repression (we can't always look at things in a political vacuum).

No -- what it seems to me is that most people either don't like the fact that Cyrillic is used *at all*, or that the name "Moldovan" is used. Nobody seems to have any of those nuanced feelings you detail. Mark

Wikipedia Romania (Ronline)

12:01 p.m.

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As I've noted many times before, Latin alphabet is still taught in private schools in Transnistria. Nobody is being forced to use Cyrillic.

Yes, OK, they're not being forced to learn it, but they *are* practically forced to have a knowledge of it since it's used as an official language (if it's used at all). No -- what it seems to me is that most people either don't like the

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fact that Cyrillic is used *at all*, or that the name "Moldovan" is used. Nobody seems to have any of those nuanced feelings you detail.

Well, I think it's the fact that Moldovan + Cyrillic is being used. A Moldovan Latin wiki would also be controversial, because most people doubt the existence of a separate Moldovan language. What adds a further nuance of controversy is that fact that it's written in Cyrillic, which people see as a political step. Even if it might not be tht way, the majority of people will continue seeing it as a political move ("back to the old days" sort of thing). It would be like launching an Azeri wiki with content only in Cyrillic.

Chris Jenkinson

10:31 a.m.

Wikipedia Romania (Ronline) wrote:

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That's a reason to add more content, not delete existing content. Chris -- Chris Jenkinson chris(a)starglade.org "Mistrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful." -- Friedrich Nietzsche, Thus Spoke Zarathustra

Wikipedia Romania (Ronline)

12:05 p.m.

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That's a reason to add more content, not delete existing content. Chris

Yes, maybe. The dispute, however, the way I see it at least, is not over the content per se, but rather the situation it's placed in, that is: 1) That the language is called "Moldovan" (I believe, however, calling it Romanian and writing with Cyrillic would be even more controversial, Romanian nationalists claim otherwise) 2) That Cyrillic is hosted on the main mo.wiki subdomain, and no Latin content is hosted on this subdomain (Latin is the official, majority script). Note that Latin is, however, listed first in the interface. The problem has also, I believe, been augmented by a series of Mark's actions, although I believe they were in good faith (i.e. the interface was changed just so that it uses different terms to the Romanian Wikipedia, and many of the words don't make sense even to Moldovans). Which is why I think a good compromise would be the subdomain solution. However, it seems that it was agreed that the existing mo.wiki would be locked down. --

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Neil Harris

4:24 p.m.

Wikipedia Romania (Ronline) wrote:

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What we need now are some transliteration rules for Latin <--> Cyrillic for mo:, and the last excuse for not shutting down mo: prior to making it a joint Latin/Cyrillic portal to the ro: data in the Latin alphabet should disappear. Just to set the ball rolling, with the benefit of _absolutely no_ knowledge of Romanian _or_ Moldovan Cyrillic orthography, but with a bit of Googling, I've produced a very simple first hack at a transliteration table (see below). Now, these rules are undoubtedly totally wrong, (for a start, there are round trip problems, and my references are inconsistent with one another) but I'm sure that, in the spirit of Wikipedia, the readers of this thread can do much better than me, given a few moments. Perhaps we should put it up on the Wiki, and let people edit it there. Reading the list archives, I see that [[User:Bogdan Giusca]] has done some work on this, but he hasn't published his PHP script. -- Neil ---------------------------- The table: Note: '^' means "start of word", and "$" end of word, and the rules are intended to be applied from top to bottom to reduce ambiguity. гю <-> ghiu кю <-> chiu ге <-> ghe ги <-> ghi и$ <-> ii$ йю <-> iiu йя <-> iea ке <-> che ки <-> chi ча <-> cea чю <-> ciu ӂа <-> gea ӂю <-> giu ^ы <-> ^î йа <-> ia йе <-> ie йи <-> ii йо <-> io йу <-> iu йы <-> iâ че <-> ce чи <-> ci ы$ <-> î$ ь$ <-> i$ ӂе <-> ge ӂи <-> gi ч <-> ci ю <-> iu я <-> ea ӂ <-> gi а <-> a б <-> b в <-> v г <-> g д <-> d е <-> e ж <-> j з <-> z и <-> i к <-> c л <-> l м <-> m н <-> n о <-> o п <-> p р <-> r с <-> s т <-> t у <-> u ф <-> f х <-> h ц <-> ț ш <-> ș ы <-> â ь <-> ʼ э <-> ă End of table.

Mark Williamson

9:08 p.m.

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Note: '^' means "start of word", and "$" end of word, and the rules are intended to be applied from top to bottom to reduce ambiguity.

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â = î (all occurances of â in a latin text can be treated as if they were î during conversion) гю <-> ghiu кю <-> chiu гя <-> ghia кя <-> chia ге <-> ghe ги <-> ghi ын <- îin ым <- îim ии <-> iii$ ий$ <-> ii$ я <-> ^ia ая <-> aia ия <-> iia ыя <-> îia уя <-> uia ея <-> eia оя <-> oia эя <-> ăia ия <-> ia$ ю <-> ^iu аю <-> aiu ию <-> iiu ыю <-> îiu ую <-> uiu ею <-> eiu ою <-> oiu эю <-> ăiu е <-> ^ie ае <-> aie ие <-> iie ые <-> îie уе <-> uie ее <-> eie ое <-> oie эе <-> ăie айо <-> aio ийо <-> iio ыйо <-> îio уйо <-> uio ейо <-> eio ойо <-> oio эйо <-> ăio ке <-> che ки <-> chi ча <-> cea чю <-> ciu ӂа <-> gea ӂю <-> giu че$ <-> ce чи$ <-> ci ай$ <-> ai$ ый$ <-> îi$ уй$ <-> ui$ ей$ <-> ei$ ой$ <-> oi$ эй$ <-> ăi$ ь$ <-> i$ ӂе <-> ge ӂи <-> gi ч <-> ci я <-> ea а <-> a б <-> b в <-> v г <-> g д <-> d е <-> e ж <-> j з <-> z и <-> i к <-> c л <-> l м <-> m н <-> n о <-> o п <-> p р <-> r с <-> s т <-> t у <-> u ф <-> f х <-> h ц <-> ț ш <-> ș ы <-> î ь <-> ʼ э <-> ă End of table.

Unfortunately, that will leave a lot of words spelt incorrectly. For example, the word "crea" should be "креа" and not "кря" because of syllabification; same for a few other words. Another inconsitent rule is that "obiect" should be "обьект" rather than "обиект", also for quite a few other words again because of its pronunciation. See, Cyrillic writing for Moldovan is very phonetic. How you pronounce something changes how you write it. Romanian writing, on the other hand, is a bit more loosely phonetic, and seems unconcerned with distinctions between the different "i" sounds for example, or with writing words differently based on syllable rules. Another *huge* problem is names. Romanian and Moldovan names should convert just fine, but other names are a problem. What about "Mihail Sergheievici Gorbaciov"? That should be converted as "Михаил Сергеевич Горбачев" (I think; it might be ~чиов). Or what about "chabad"? That should be "хабад", not "кхабад". Mark

Liviu Andronic

20 Mar 20 Mar

3:09 p.m.

On 19/03/06, Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Note: '^' means "start of word", and "$" end of word, and the rules are intended to be applied from top to bottom to reduce ambiguity.

â = î (all occurances of â in a latin text can be treated as if they

were î during conversion)

гю <-> ghiu кю <-> chiu гя <-> ghia кя <-> chia ге <-> ghe ги <-> ghi ын <- îin ым <- îim ии <-> iii$ ий$ <-> ii$ я <-> ^ia ая <-> aia ия <-> iia ыя <-> îia уя <-> uia ея <-> eia оя <-> oia эя <-> ăia ия <-> ia$ ю <-> ^iu аю <-> aiu ию <-> iiu ыю <-> îiu ую <-> uiu ею <-> eiu ою <-> oiu эю <-> ăiu е <-> ^ie ае <-> aie ие <-> iie ые <-> îie уе <-> uie ее <-> eie ое <-> oie эе <-> ăie айо <-> aio ийо <-> iio ыйо <-> îio уйо <-> uio ейо <-> eio ойо <-> oio эйо <-> ăio ке <-> che ки <-> chi ча <-> cea чю <-> ciu ӂа <-> gea ӂю <-> giu че$ <-> ce чи$ <-> ci ай$ <-> ai$ ый$ <-> îi$ уй$ <-> ui$ ей$ <-> ei$ ой$ <-> oi$ эй$ <-> ăi$ ь$ <-> i$ ӂе <-> ge ӂи <-> gi ч <-> ci я <-> ea а <-> a б <-> b в <-> v г <-> g д <-> d е <-> e ж <-> j з <-> z и <-> i к <-> c л <-> l м <-> m н <-> n о <-> o п <-> p р <-> r с <-> s т <-> t у <-> u ф <-> f х <-> h ц <-> ț ш <-> ș ы <-> î ь <-> ʼ э <-> ă End of table.

"Creaţie" should well be spelled as "креацие" and not "кряцие". While "обиект" is wrong. See, Cyrillic writing for Moldovan is very phonetic. How you pronounce

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something changes how you write it. Romanian writing, on the other hand, is a bit more loosely phonetic, and seems unconcerned with distinctions between the different "i" sounds for example, or with writing words differently based on syllable rules.

Another *huge* problem is names. Romanian and Moldovan names should

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convert just fine, but other names are a problem. What about "Mihail Sergheievici Gorbaciov"? That should be converted as "Михаил Сергеевич Горбачев" (I think; it might be ~чиов). Or what about "chabad"? That should be "хабад", not "кхабад". Mark _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l

-- Liviu

Mark Williamson

9:19 p.m.

Yes, Liviu, that's exactly what I said. Please re-read my e-mail. Mark On 20/03/06, Liviu Andronic <landronimirc(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 19/03/06, Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Note: '^' means "start of word", and "$" end of word, and the rules are intended to be applied from top to bottom to reduce ambiguity.

â = î (all occurances of â in a latin text can be treated as if they

were î during conversion)

"Creaţie" should well be spelled as "креацие" and not "кряцие". While "обиект" is wrong. See, Cyrillic writing for Moldovan is very phonetic. How you pronounce

Another *huge* problem is names. Romanian and Moldovan names should

-- Liviu _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l

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Liviu Andronic

21 Mar 21 Mar

8:57 a.m.

On 3/20/06, Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Yes, Liviu, that's exactly what I said. Please re-read my e-mail.

True. Wasn't attentive enough. Liviu Mark

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On 20/03/06, Liviu Andronic <landronimirc(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 19/03/06, Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Note: '^' means "start of word", and "$" end of word, and the rules

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intended to be applied from top to bottom to reduce ambiguity.

â = î (all occurances of â in a latin text can be treated as if they

were î during conversion)

"Creaţie" should well be spelled as "креацие" and not "кряцие". While "обиект" is wrong. See, Cyrillic writing for Moldovan is very phonetic. How you pronounce

Another *huge* problem is names. Romanian and Moldovan names should

-- Liviu _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l

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-- Liviu

Mark Williamson

19 Mar 19 Mar

8:37 p.m.

This is incorrect, after Pavel made a big fuss by trying to move Cyrillic pages to Latin names and replacing their entire contents with Latin copied directly from rowp, the old idea of "no Latin content, go to rowp for that" was sort of amended so that now both are hosted at mowiki. See for example the main page in Latin: http://mo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagina_principal%C4%83_-_latin Now, I for one think it's sort of ridiculous, but it shouldn't count for nothing. Mark On 19/03/06, Wikipedia Romania (Ronline) <rowikipedia(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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That's a reason to add more content, not delete existing content. Chris

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Jacky PB

20 Mar 20 Mar

8:17 a.m.

Chris Jenkinson <chris(a)starglade.org> wrote: Wikipedia Romania (Ronline) wrote:

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That's a reason to add more content, not delete existing content. Chris If by "adding content" you mean Mark adding loads of incorrect two-line articles, then cheer up, you have your wikipedia. It reminds me of the good old communist Romania, where the agricultural and industrial production figures were artificially inflated by producing crap. Of course, that system was not democratic, so that one person could have his way without good reason against the will of the people. Looks much like today's mo.wiki, where Mark blocks everything just because he wants to. BTW, someone asked me why I'm against mo.wiki. I am not fundamentally against it. The only thing I say is that it should remain in the private space of Mark while it's a pure creation of Mark. Otherwise, I request that the american us.wikipedia.org is created! It is right, as some people believe this language exists, and we should add content to it. There are even american dictionaries. Of course, I will fill it up just like Mark does, by copying articles from en.wiki, and by writing two-line crap articles. Unfortunately, I will not be able to produce as many grammar errors per sentence as Mark does. Maybe someone level en-1 would like to join me in promoting americanism against the imperialist brits (the "imperialist" part it adapted from Mark's posts)? Cheers, Dpotop --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

Mark Williamson

9:52 p.m.

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If by "adding content" you mean Mark adding loads of incorrect two-line articles, then cheer up, you have your wikipedia. It reminds me of the good old communist Romania, where the agricultural and industrial production figures were artificially inflated by producing crap. Of course, that system was not democratic, so that one person could have his way without good reason against the will of the people. Looks much like today's mo.wiki, where Mark blocks everything just because he wants to.

Dpotop is a silly guy. Check out http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaMO.htm : Users sorted by # of edits: 61.248.143.2 -- 574 (South Korean IP) Russ -- 208 Node_ue -- 185 193.164.229.102 -- 78 (Paris, France IP) 81.11.225.209 -- 66 (Vilvoorde, Belgium IP) Gabix -- 52 24.201.83.39 -- 46 (Montreal, QC IP) 213.164.241.16 -- 37 (Cluj, Romania IP) 24.251.243.233 -- 34 (my IP) Ronline -- 33 Home05149.cluj.astral.ro -- 20 Phrstvb -- 19 Robbot -- 13 Vertaler -- 12 211.186.6.105 -- 12 (South Korea IP) Dmitriid -- 10 132.216.68.207 -- 10 (Montreal, QC IP) 65% of total edits are by anon users. Average article has 164.179104 words (193.75 for Romanian WP, not a huge difference) Also, speaking of democratic systems, check out http://mo.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ronline/Propunere/Arhiv%C4%83 where the majority, all of whom were repsectable, confirmed, existing users with many many many edits (instead of just 25), votedto KEEP mowiki.

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BTW, someone asked me why I'm against mo.wiki. I am not fundamentally against it. The only thing I say is that it should remain in the private space of Mark while it's a pure creation of Mark.

Pure creation of Mark? The majority of contribs come from other people.

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Otherwise, I request that the american us.wikipedia.org is created! It is right, as some people believe this language exists, and we should add content to it. There are even american dictionaries. Of course, I will fill it up just like Mark does, by copying articles from en.wiki, and by writing two-line crap articles. Unfortunately, I will not be able to produce as many grammar errors per sentence as Mark does. Maybe someone level en-1 would like to join me in promoting americanism against the imperialist brits (the "imperialist" part it adapted from Mark's posts)?

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Bogdan Giusca

10:37 p.m.

Hello Mark, Monday, March 20, 2006, 11:52:07 PM, you wrote: MW> 65% of total edits are by anon users. You're trying to convince us that there's a community of anonymous users ? Ha-ha. Here's the top, according to that link: 61.248.143.2 -- Seoul, Korea -- Russ, not logged-in, 574 edits (Russ used to transliterate by hand articles from ro.wiki) 193.164.229.102 -- Strasbourg, France -- blanked articles, 78 81.11.225.209 -- Antwerp, Belgium -- reverted blanked articles, 66 24.251.243.233 -- Arizona, US -- Node_ue, 46 213.164.241.16 -- Cluj, Romania -- ro:Danutz, 37 24.201.83.39 -- Montreal, Canada -- en:Domnu Goie, 34 Home05149.cluj.astral.ro -- Cluj -- again ro:Danutz, 20 132.216.68.207 -- Montreal, Canada -- blanked articles, 10 211.186.6.105 -- Korea -- other IP of Russ, 12 These make 80% of the anon edits and none is involved in the creation of actual content. Almost all of the rest were involved in the endless discussions of the status of mo.wiki. :-) MW> Average article has 164.179104 words (193.75 for Romanian WP, not a MW> huge difference) Of course, since the articles are taken from it. :-)

Mark Williamson

10:55 p.m.

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MW> 65% of total edits are by anon users. You're trying to convince us that there's a community of anonymous users ? Ha-ha.

I'm not trying to convince anybody there's a "community" of anons. All I was trying to say is that it's not "my" Wikipedia because I dont have the majority of contribs even.

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Here's the top, according to that link: 61.248.143.2 -- Seoul, Korea -- Russ, not logged-in, 574 edits (Russ used to transliterate by hand articles from ro.wiki)

Proof that it's Russ?? Please?

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193.164.229.102 -- Strasbourg, France -- blanked articles, 78

And?

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81.11.225.209 -- Antwerp, Belgium -- reverted blanked articles, 66

Meaning this user supports mowiki

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24.251.243.233 -- Arizona, US -- Node_ue, 46

Yes

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213.164.241.16 -- Cluj, Romania -- ro:Danutz, 37