Dear Mark W.,
At 05:09 23/02/2005 +0000, Mark Williamson wrote to Stan Shebs:
"Thanks" for the advice.
I have some for you, too - cool off a bit, and quit acting so
condescending. It's very irritating, even in small doses. And as I have
noted before, while friendly advice is usually appreciated by me, when it
is given in a tone like this it really doesn't help anybody.
As someone who has supported you before (even though I have no way of
telling whether you appreciated it), I ask you to break a little bit there
-- Stan Shebs' advice wasn't *that* bad, actually... It is easy for us all
to sound a bit condescending at times (and you probably think I sound
condescending right now), but you sound more than a bit condescending (and,
frankly, a bit irritating (since you brought up that term)) yourself at
times, you know ....
I think this may be a good time for you to step back a bit and rethink your
debating strategies.
Listen to Stan -- and give what he said some thought. It won't hurt. You
don't need to post all your thoughts about it here (or anywhere else, at
that) -- but please try to listen. Maybe you find that he isn't right. But
in that case, maybe you could make your own life easier by finding out
why/how people misunderstand you -- and then find ways of avoiding these
misunderstandings...?
I appreciate very much your struggle for "small"-language wikipedias, Mark.
I have also seen you contribute in many other great ways., and I hope that
you will continue the struggle for Wikipedia to become ever more democratic
and diverse within the limits of truth and humanism. But in this struggle,
one needs both a strong conviction AND a level of humility (!) and
flexibility (!!!) that allows people not to be driven away from the good cause.
I have defended you before, and will be happy to do so again as long as I
see that you do positive things for Wikipedia. But sometimes it is time to
listen and learn for all of us -- even for you.
Respectfully,
Olve
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Olve Utne
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