I dont think it has been done before. What we need is an open source
decentralized system of certification where each certificate will be a wiki
page, will have a version, and will be able to be assigned by everyone to
anyone.
That will make any journal or university degree obsolete. (We'd just have
professors,not the university, certifying their students.)
I also dont think that there is an easier alternative that solves the long
lasting battle between experts and the rest.
2012/10/28 Stirling Newberry <stirling.newberry(a)xigenics.net>
Empirically, that does not have a high probability of
success.
On Oct 27, 2012, at 8:25 PM, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis wrote:
Please, enlighten me.
2012/10/28 Stirling Newberry <stirling.newberry(a)xigenics.net>
> Your post is self-contradictory.
>
> On Oct 27, 2012, at 8:04 PM, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis wrote:
>
>> 1)I don't think that google results have any credibility at all.
>> 2)The basis of a wiki is the open source license of its contents. That
is
>> why it is a collaboration.
>>
>>> Consensus is core to what credibility wikipedia has, because it is
much
>> harder to get a bot net to generate it
than to generate links. It means
>> that anyone who writes has at least consented to have others check
their
>> work.
>>
>> That is incorrect. It is much more difficult because each page is
checked
>> by users. In the same way, rating an
article will be done by users and
> the
>> network of trust will be dynamic. If a user is providing bad
information,
>> he will be discarded manually from
users.
>>
>>> That's categorically incorrect. Consensus is a rational preference,
you
>> would ban it, there for violating
admissibility. It will also run into
>> transitivity issues quickly, as people will set up link farms to point
to
>> their version.
>>
>> Care to explain that?
>>
>> Whose preference is rational? rational preference
>> <
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preference_(economics)#Applications_to_theorieā¦
>>
>> Admissibity of what?
>>
Admissible_rule<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admissible_rule>
>>
>> Again transitivity of whose preferences?
>>
>> I guess that you are trying to say that through consensus , we end up
in
>> some sort of parreto efficient state, ie
that the consensus "game"
forces
>> articles to be good enough.
>>
>> I dont propose to ban consensus, only to allow users to have many
>> consensus. I think that people will continue to strive for acceptance
and
>> consensus, especially since each user
will have some sort of ranking.
>> I admit that I havent really thought of this from a game theoretic
point
> of
>> view.
>> Stackoverflow, mathoverflow 's ranking system seems to have given a
good
>> incentice to authors, though.
>> It all depends on the trust metric.
>>
>> It is though universally understood that this consensus "game" doesnt
>> provide good enough results for academic research.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2012/10/28 David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com>
>>
>>> On 28 October 2012 00:12, Stirling Newberry
>>> <stirling.newberry(a)xigenics.net> wrote:
>>>> On Oct 27, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I know that this is very different from what wikipedia has been
known
> to be
>>> and it is understandable that this huge change can only happen from
> outside
>>> of wikipedia.
>
>> This project has been started, it is called "the world wide web."
>
>
> Indeed. If Wikipedia were not an improvement over the first ten Google
> hits, it wouldn't exist.
>
>
> - d.
>
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