There is significant difference between Indonesian and Malay language I think.
Also there is no Malay wikisource subdomain right now.
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Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] id.wikisource.org
Here I find a second issue:
I think that Indonesian and Malay meet an equal threshhold to
Serbocroatian, except that they don't have the same level of emotions
attached.
So, I think there should be a single Malay and Indonesian WS.
On 28/10/05, Stanley W <stanley(a)e-intidata.com> wrote:
> Hi, I hereby make a proposal for new wikisource language subdomain
> (id.wikisource.org) to be created.
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> Please verify that this proposal have meet the requirements needed.
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> Thanks
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>As the Board have been rather slow with publicising the new privacy
>policy, I have taken the step of adding a notice to the bottom of
>[[MediaWiki:Copyrightstext]] on the English-language Wikipedia (the text
>which is displayed when you click "Edit this page"), which mentions that
>if you are editing anonymously, your IP address will be publically and
>permanently associated with the edits, and if you're editing while
>logged in, your IP address will be stored for around 2 weeks.
Firstly, I must apologise for being so terse and shitty on IRC last night.
Secondly, the message (which is [[MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning]]) got this edit:
00:16, 27 October 2005 A Man In Black (rv - Why is a warning like
this necessary? Why is it being added to a MediaWiki page without
discussion?)
I did say that seeking outside opinion would be a good idea ... or
waiting to hear back from the Board, if this is of Board-level
importance.
Your added text was (at the top, not the bottom):
By editing Wikipedia, your [[IP address]] (which is [[personally
identifiable information]]) is recorded. If you are not logged in,
your IP address will be publicly associated with your edits. If you
are logged in, your IP address will not be publicly displayed. Please
read our [[wikipedia:privacy policy|privacy policy]].
This is terrible in all sorts of ways.
(a) it's too long and too wordy.
(b) It will either scare or be utterly ignored by people who don't
care, and will cause noisy stupidity from those who think the sky is
falling if we block Tor because of vandals.
(c) You can't educate people about what IP addresses are in an
apparently important warning message. That's what links are for, not
warning messages. If they don't know an IP address is personally
identifiable information, this really isn't the place to tell them
inline.
(d) No-one reads a sentence over five words. No-one reads past the
second sentence. No-one reads a word over two syllables unless they
have to. (This one is really hard to keep to ...)
(e) Probably more.
(Your previous version was: "Warning: By submitting edits to
Wikipedia, your IP address, which is personally-identifiable
information, will be associated with your edit. If you are not logged
in, your IP address will be permanently and publically associated with
your edits. If you are logged in, your IP address will not be
publically displayed, however it will be kept for around 2 weeks.")
My suggested wording is:
All edits to Wikipedia are recorded and visible, with the [[IP
address]] they are from. Your IP address is publicly visible on edits
where you are not [[Special:Userlogin|logged in]]. See
[[wikipedia:privacy policy|privacy policy]].
Says all we need, promises nothing.
If this is important enough to add for Foundation reasons, it's
important enough to get right. For *hundreds* of projects, not just
en:.
- d.
I've recently been digging in to some of the Wikipedia history (including
pointing links from the Wikipedia timeline to Wayback machine's versions of
the Nupedia list) but the one link I haven't been able to find is Wale's
statement about the confusion resulting from Stallman's announcement:
http://slashdot.org/articles/01/01/20/0319231_F.shtml ->
http://www.themestream.com/gspd_browse/browse/view_article.gsp?c_id=299223
Unfortunately, that page is just ads and links now and Jimbo doesn't seem to
have a copy and he recommended this list as a possible source.
>My suggested wording is:
> All edits to Wikipedia are recorded and visible, with the [[IP
>address]] they are from. Your IP address is publicly visible on edits
>where you are not [[Special:Userlogin|logged in]]. See
>[[wikipedia:privacy policy|privacy policy]].
I've just realised that's ambiguous and partly incorrect. How about:
All edits to Wikipedia are publicly visible. Your [[IP address]]
is recorded, and it is publicly visible on edits where you are not
[[Special:Userlogin|logged in]]. See [[Wikimedia:Privacy policy]].
(BTW, the Wikimedia: interwiki prefix works on meta: but not on en:.)
Better? Easily translatable? An improvement on nothing at all?
- d.
Come to Meta to discuss next year's Wikimania.
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From: SJ <2.718281828(a)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 27, 2005 8:11 AM
Subject: Wikimania 2006 : general meeting & getting involved
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org>,
Wikimedia Translators <translators-l(a)wikimedia.org>
Dear all,
Wikimania this past August was a joyous and wonderful event...
remarkable above all for the geographic diversity of its attendees.
Help make the next Wikimania just as wonderful, and even more
international and multilingual. Please translate this message and
pass it on to your respective mailing lists and wikis.
How to get involved :
1. Come to an IRC meeting next week. We will be discussing conference
dates, among other things. Note what times you can make it, or add to
the agenda, here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2006:Planning#Meetings
2. Volunteer your time, language skills, and enthusiasm:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2006:Planning#Volunteering
3. Sign up for yet another mailing list (wikimania-l). It is
currently low-traffic and primarily English-language; two things you
can help change.
http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
4. Plan carpools or offer crash space for the event. (harder to do
before the date is fixed, of course)
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2006:Venue#Attendees
Organizing Wikimania is at once demanding and rewarding; and a chance
to learn about the inner workings of a large conference. Please join
us on IRC, or on the wiki, to find out more.
++SJ
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The UN is holding the second of two gatherings for its "World Summit
on the Information Society" [WSIS] in a few weeks ( www.itu.int/wsis/
). Wikimedia is sending representatives to the event; they are
bringing information about the projects with them.
This information should be in as many languages as possible. You can
help by translating the Wiki cheatsheet and the Wikimedia leaflet :
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/WSIS
The WSIS event will be a good way to reach people from every corner of
the world. There will be hundreds of leaders and public speakers
there. These people can carry the spirit of the Wikimedia projects to
their countries and organizations.
Please translate this request and forward it to other-language mailing
lists, and project village pumps.
Sincerely,
SJ
On the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#.5B.5BTemplat…
Mark Williamson supports a hoax called "Zlatiborian language". If the
intention is that English Wikipedia becomes the irrelevant place for
Balkan languages and dialects, I can help, too. I started to make user
language templates for all regions from Serbia. When I finish it, I
would start to make the same for the regions of USA.
Hi all,
As the Board have been rather slow with publicising the new privacy
policy, I have taken the step of adding a notice to the bottom of
[[MediaWiki:Copyrightstext]] on the English-language Wikipedia (the text
which is displayed when you click "Edit this page"), which mentions that
if you are editing anonymously, your IP address will be publically and
permanently associated with the edits, and if you're editing while
logged in, your IP address will be stored for around 2 weeks.
Someone has also added a link to the privacy policy on the bottom of
every page.
I urge admins on all the various projects to update their project with
this information - make it clear that editing will mean that some
personally-identifiable information is kept about the contributor.
Chris
I just did a big overhaul, but there's more to be done for the historically
minded or those with long memories! :)
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia
[[Wikipedia_timeline]]: 19:12, 26 October 2005 Reagle (many edits, trying to
make sure everything is clear, dated, sourced, and consistently formatted,
more to be done, please help with '??'s)
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I've done some HTML dumps of Wikipedia:
http://static.wikipedia.org/
This is something I've been working on for the last 6 months or so. It
was requested by WiderNet, for their eGranary Digital Library project:
http://www.widernet.org/digitalLibrary/index.htm
The project distributes information to universities in developing
countries, by filling large hard drives with free or donated content and
delivering them. The dumps have been produced to their specifications,
but I thought they might be useful to other people as well.
This is a "beta" release, I would recommend that most people wait for
the second release, when a number of known bugs will be fixed.
-- Tim Starling