Menchi had mentioned this point on Wikitech-l:
"Chinese characters have many many more strokes than Roman letters. So
the current MonoBook font size at Chinese WP is very hard on the eye."
"Almost every single Chinese user who experienced the skin have pointed
out that the font size's difficult to read."
So it is not a problem for one user's preference, but a problem for the site.
Please change the default size to 11pt which is adopted by most portals.
"André Müller" : In fact I also used to like that the default font was
"Times New Roman", a font of which I'm kind of a fan of, hehe... but that
might be merely subjective and too much to ask for.
No, it's not subjective. Have a look in a newspaper : sans serif fonts like
Arial are commonly used for titles. Serif fonts like Times New Roman are
used for smaller texts, as serif (the little toes at the end of legs and
arms of letters) are helping a lot the eyes in recognising small letter in
sentences, and were designed for that purpose. I really like the new design,
even if I ave to get used to it a bit, but I think changing the font to a
sans-serif one is not an improvement, especially for those having strong eye
glasses like me.
(gbog)
As Andre Engels already made clear, neither the ISO code nor the SIL
list can be taken for granted in all cases, regarding what we actually
look for in their lists. He gave good examples, and so did Tim Starling.
In fact, my opinion on this topic is, that we should use both the ISO
and the SIL when were unsure again whether to allow a certain language
or not. What were the 3 artificial languages on Ethnologue again?
Esperanto, Interlingua and... Europanto or something, I dont remember.
Well, we have a Volapük Wikipedia, to which I and some others even
contribute, from time to time. Volapük is not included in the SIL index
but in the ISO codes. Thatd be a pro.
Thus, if the language can be found in either the ISO or the SIL list, it
has a right to exist. But we should still consider each new language if
there are enough contributors for it. Maybe 3 or 5 could be enough. That
would speak for Klingon as well there is an ISO code (tlh), there are
more than just 3 or 5 contributors, and the vocabulary and grammar is
large enough as well (a fact that in my opinion doesnt really apply for
Sindarin/Quenya, for example). I dont know off-hand which other
constructed languages could be found in the ISO codes (too lazy to look
it up now ;)), but I doubt that there are more fictional languages
besides Klingon.
And Toki Pona is wiki-fied already itd be unfair to remove it now, if
its included in ISO/SIL or not.
Okay, I think you understand my point.
- André
On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Pochung Chen wrote:
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > Pochung(Pektiong) Chen(Tan) wrote:
> >> Hi There,
> >> The user community on "southern min" (min-nan) wikipedia would like
> >> to request to rename the currently used "zh-cfr" to "zh-min-nan".
> >> The tag "cfr" makes no sense to the native speaker and the user
> >> community.
> >> The tag "zh-min-nan" makes sense and is a registered RFC 3066 tag.
> >> Please rename the name of southern min wikipedia a.s.a.p, thanks!
> >> pektiong
> >
> >
> > How about minnan.wikipedia.org? It's shorter, doesn't conflict with
> > anything, and is easy to remember.
> >
> > -- Tim Starling
Please use zh-min-nan.wikipedia.org. This name is the consensus of the
community. And following are some rationals.
*most current wikipedia use ISO 639-1/-2 language tag.
*for any new wikipedia whose language doesn't have its own ISO 639-1/-2
language tag, we should use a language tag which is compatible with ISO
639-1/-2.
*we hence should use "RFC 3066 - Tags for the Identification of Languages"
when it is possible. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3066.html
*note that for RFC 3066 schema,
All 2/3-letter subtags are interpreted according to assignments found in
ISO standard 639-1/2, i.e., RFC 3066 is compatible with ISO 639.
*RFC 3066's tag for Southern min language is zh-min-nan
http://www.iana.org/assignments/lang-tags/zh-min-nan
I hope those arguments can convince the people here that the only logical
name should be "zh-min-nan.wikipedia.org". The article
Taiwanese(linguistics) on English wikipedia should provide many useful
informaiton if you fell the need to understand this language more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_%28linguistics%29
best
pektiong
Hi, everybody, I'm an administrator in Chinese Wikipedia - User:Mountain.
I have a request: Who can help us to change the default font size on Chinese Wikipedia.
Now the default font size on Chinese Wikipedia is too small, many users required us to change it.
we can change the default css to that:
body, #globalWrapper { font-size:11pt }
It looks better for most users.
Thanks for your help.
"Karl Eichwalder" <ke(a)gnu.franken.de> schrieb:
> Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)bomis.com> writes:
>
> > I think it would be very nice to be able to have portfolios of images
> > of specific topics, even when we only use 1 or 2 of the images in a
> > particular article on a particular wikipedia.
>
> I'd like to support your proposal.
>
> > For example, we might quickly end up with 50 different pictures of the
> > Leaning Tower of Pisa.
>
> Yes, those series are very useful. Don't hesitate to upload detailed
> pictures (with descriptions, of course) and link them together on a main
> page.
In my opinion, it kind of depends on what the pictures show, and on what
descriptions are given. I don't want 50 similar pictures of the tower of
Pisa. I do want 50 pictures if this one is taking at sunset, that one shows
the surroundings as well and the third one is from an unusual direction.
I have said something against this kind of thing on the Wikicommons discussion
page, but please understand that I am not against having many pictures on
one subject. I am against having many very similar pictures and against
pictures with insufficient description.
I don't want 100 pictures of "a yellow flower". I do want 10 pictures each
of a 1000 different yellow flowers. I don't want 50 portraits of George W.
Bush. I do want 200 pictures of George W. Bush if some are portraits,
others show him sign a law as governor of Texas, others show him speaking
to the congress, others show him among soldiers in Iraq, etcetera.
In short, what I want is to request that pictures are either
* because of what they show (the 50th tower of Pisa, but only the second
one from this angle)
* because of the additional information (the 30th George W. Bush signing
a law, but we are being told _which_ law is being signed)
duplicates of not more than a few pictures in the collection.
Andre Engels
I just wanted to say that I really strongly support the central
ideas put forward by Erik here:
http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Commons
I can't say if I agree with every single detail of his proposed
implementation, because I'm not really qualified to judge all of it.
But the central ideas, as proposed here:
http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2004-March/014826.html
are valid and important.
I especially like the requirement of NO fair use materials on the
commons proper. Fair use is often problematic and complex, and so I
really want to encourage the creation of free alternatives even to
fair use. (Even though, at the same time, I strongly support the
concept of fair use and would like to see it expanded and strengthened
and clarified legally.)
I think it would be very nice to be able to have portfolios of images
of specific topics, even when we only use 1 or 2 of the images in a
particular article on a particular wikipedia. For example, we might
quickly end up with 50 different pictures of the Leaning Tower of Pisa.
One thing that I strongly recommend is that we get started on the
right foot from the beginning on this site, *requiring* a certain
level of documentation: what is this? where did it come from? what
license(s) is it under? who is the creator? when was it created?
Part of the idea here is to create a central core of material that we
*and* those who license our content can feel comfortable using.
(Toward that end, we should have a mechanism to store, but not display
by default, high resolution images.)
--Jimbo
p.s. I do not like the use of the word 'altruism' in his proposal, but
that's just something he said on the side, not central to what he's
talking about. I wouldn't mention it, except that it's a
philosophical peeve of mine. :-)
Saluton!
I hereby decree, in my usual authoritarian and bossy manner, that
today (June 1st) shall forever be known as Brion Vibber day.
Wikipedians of the distant future will marvel at his incredible
dedication and hard work, without which the project should have
collapsed a long time ago. Tonight at dinner, every Wikipedian should
say a toast to Brion and his many inventions.
On Brion Vibber day, Wikipedians everywhere greet each other in
Esperanto.
Dankon, Brion.
Bondezirojn,
--Jimbo
Hi There,
The user community on "southern min" (min-nan) wikipedia would like
to request to rename the currently used "zh-cfr" to "zh-min-nan".
The tag "cfr" makes no sense to the native speaker and the user community.
The tag "zh-min-nan" makes sense and is a registered RFC 3066 tag.
Please rename the name of southern min wikipedia a.s.a.p, thanks!
pektiong