Angela wrote:
Lots of replies in no particular order
*Anthere wrote:
When has RK been a sysop ?
He hasn't. I think people are confusing him with RickK
again. He was nominated for sysophood by Stevertigo
but RK refused the nomination.
OK, I had my fact wrong in this issue.
*Ray Saintonge wrote:
the mentor could be a person whom RK personally
trusts, and to whom he would pay attention.
I'm not convinced you could find such a person. RK
regards all comments to him as personal attacks.
Obviously, if there is no such person. it can't be made to work
*Bjn Lindqvist wrote:
But I get offended by RK, a countless number of
anons
get offended by RK and many contributors have left WP
because of RK's antics.
I think this is the part 172 and others are missing. A
lot of people complain about RK, but there are
doubtless many more people who do not and simply
respond by avoiding editing any pages that RK edits
(myself for one), or worse leave Wikipedia.
There are people who can't handle any criticism.. I'm sure we've all
chased some away. They just go away without a fuss, and without anybody
knowing about it. This does not diminish RK's intimidating effects.
*Tim Starling wrote:
Eloquence obviously has a different idea of
"simple
vandalism" than I do.
This is the danger of blocking anyone. There is no
clear guidance on what "simple vandalism" is. The
[[Vandalism in progress]] page shows different people
have different definitions and sections are often
moved from this page to the [[Problem users]] page by
those who do not regard something as vandalism. On a
related note, I don't understand why the procedure has
to be different for IPs and logged in users. If an
anon had made those edits they would have been banned
immediately and no-one would have objected in the
slightest. IPs are frequently blocked for far less.
Why should someone be protected simply because they
bothered to log in?
I would define a simple vandal as one who for no particular reason
defaces a page with rude words or goatse.cx type images.
*Axel Boldt wrote:
The issue could have brought up on the mailing
list.
In the past, we have often discussed weeks and weeks
before banning long-term Wikipedians.
The issue *was* brought to the mailing list, and to
the "problem users" page, and to "RK/ban" and to
"Community case RK" and to Meta. He has been discussed
ad nauseum and it was about time someone did something
about it. He has been given countless chances to
reform and he hasn't attempted to in the slightest. I
can't see how a temporary ban is going to change his
behavior either and I fully support a permanent ban.
I generally don't visit the other sites; the mailing list alone provides
me with more than enough of this type of discussion., but then this
isn't the first time that RK has been discussed on the mailing list.
Based on the comments in his departure letter, RK may not want to come
back. In that case the entire discussion about banning him is moot.
Ec