On 6/29/05, JAY JG <jayjg(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Michael
Turley <michael.turley(a)gmail.com>
Back to the subject: exactly why are you so strongly opposed to
separating the tools, especially along these lines? It seems to me
that this tool exerts exactly NO control over other users, while all
the other admin tools that I am aware of do exert a degree of
dominance over other users. Why shouldn't this be available
individually to those who aren't interested in the powers that include
domination?
Interesting that you would use the highly emotive word "domination"; if
others share your understanding of what adminship involved, then Rebecca
would be entirely warranted in her view that there is an "anti-admin" group
out there for that reason alone. Regarding the rollback feature, it makes
edit wars considerably easier, which is not a good thing.
Jay.
The blocking feature makes newbie biting much easier, which is not a
good thing.
Page locking makes enforcing a single POV easier, which is not a good thing.
*All tools have a proper use, and all tools can be used abusively.*
Ignoring the proper use of a tool in favor of it's potential abusive
use is a specious argument, in my opinion. It still doesn't address
the reason why ambi thinks (and perhaps you agree) that they belong in
an unseparable package. If that's the case, why not give admins all
the powers of bureaucrats? And stewards? And arbitrators? And all
the powers of Jimbo Wales, while we're at it? It would certainly more
convenient to have all the powers in one single package.
Regarding "domination". I chose the word to best express why *I* am
uninterested in a particular subset of admin tools. I prefer
persuasion to force. I have no current interest in tools of force
here at Wikipedia; I intend to test the boundaries of wikilove, good
reason, and persuasion.
I believe my understanding of what adminship involves is very similar
to your own. However, my preferences regarding implementation are
obviously different. I prefer that you and others have those
domination tools. However, I think you're being disingenuous if you
don't admit that that is what they are. I support the existence of
"overwhelming force" being available to those who are interested,
capable, and willing to use it judiciously.
Finally, the rollback feature, as far as I can tell, is unique, in
that it is a very valuable editing enhancement, but is the only one
that doesn't have any powers of enforcement behind it. That's why I
think it should be available separately to those who are interested.
--
Michael Turley
User:Unfocused